Final Fantasy XIV a Serious WoW Rival, says Wada

[CrimsonDeath]

Re: Final Fantasy XIV a Serious WoW Rival, says Wada

I agree with Jei. My game life accomplishments should be seperate from my real life accomplishments. So what if I make lots of money IRL (hypothetically, cuz I'm actually broke broke), I shouldn't be able to "easy mode" (ie. pay) my way to good gear in an MMO. It really destroys the immersion and MMOs should strive to immerse the player in the game environment as much as possible.

The game should be designed well enough that a cash shop isn't neccessary for casual gamers to obtain great gear (whether aestheic gear or stat based gear). Cash shop feels like a cop out.

Not everyone has time for immersion though. Some of us, work 10-12 hours a day, and have a girlfriend and real life engagements that come before a game. We want to be able to compete also. That's why I can't really play FFXI, I'm too far behind, and at 2-4 hours a day, 5 days a week, I don't really have time to catch up. It's not really a problem, I am happy with what I accomplish, but some people can't really do end game, because they just don't have the time to get it all done. I don't think they should make the best stuff purchasable, but some mediocre gear that will atleast give you a chance would be cool.

[Mhurron]

Re: Final Fantasy XIV a Serious WoW Rival, says Wada

Not everyone has time for immersion though. Some of us, work 10-12 hours a day, and have a girlfriend and real life engagements that come before a game. We want to be able to compete also. That's why I can't really play FFXI, I'm too far behind, and at 2-4 hours a day, 5 days a week, I don't really have time to catch up. It's not really a problem, I am happy with what I accomplish, but some people can't really do end game, because they just don't have the time to get it all done. I don't think they should make the best stuff purchasable, but some mediocre gear that will atleast give you a chance would be cool.

Not everything is for everyone.

Also, you won't feel like you accomplished anything if you bought it.

[CrimsonDeath]

Re: Final Fantasy XIV a Serious WoW Rival, says Wada

Not everything is for everyone.

Also, you won't feel like you accomplished anything if you bought it.

Not saying I'd buy everything, but being able to buy a couple things here and there to give you a leg up is nice.

[Ufgt]

Re: Final Fantasy XIV a Serious WoW Rival, says Wada

cidbahamut: No difference for the buyer, your money just goes to a different source.

CrimsonDeath: I completely see where you are coming from, but that's the nature of hardcore vs casual. I only play a couple hours a day as well and in my mind, I know I will never reach Relic Gear or Limbus stuff or SEA or SKY or any of the endgame content in FFXI because I KNOW I'm not hardcore enough. I don't prioritize FFXI over real life and that should reflect on my character. When I get to 75, I know my gear will be subpar compared to someone that plays 8 or 6 hours a day, as it should be; they are more dedicated to the game than I am and it shows.

When you introduce cash shops for gear, that dedication to the game falls to the curb. Why bother playing to be the best when you can just buy your way to the top? Of course, that's the worst case scenario for cash shop enhanced games. There are more feasible and responsible implementations of this system and I hope SE finds a way to balance it.

I'm not completely opposed to cash shops, but I've seen too often cash shop taking over the life of a game where you can't compete if you DON'T cash shop. Lets just hope SE really analyzes how CS will affect the game and design accordingly.

[Mezlo]

Re: Final Fantasy XIV a Serious WoW Rival, says Wada

Also, I won't feel like I accomplished anything if I bought it.

FTFY


(Not that I agree in buying items but...)

[Mhurron]

Re: Final Fantasy XIV a Serious WoW Rival, says Wada

FTFY


(Not that I agree in buying items but...)

I take it you feel an sense of accomplishment when you buy lunch one day then? Or pay your phone bill? That's the level of difficulty item purchasing is at.

Oh ya, I just got me a fucking sweet sub from Jersey Mikes, I'm AWESOME.

[Mezlo]

Re: Final Fantasy XIV a Serious WoW Rival, says Wada

I take it you feel an sense of accomplishment when you buy lunch one day then? Or pay your phone bill?

Not me no. But there are some people that do see it as an accompishment when they can pay bills.
Anyone have credit card debt? Wouldn't you feel great if you could pay them off? Would that be a sense of accomplishment? I think so.

[Ufgt]

Re: Final Fantasy XIV a Serious WoW Rival, says Wada

Paying off debt and buying frivilous things are 2 completely different things. I would totally feel awesome about paying off all my debt because it is a long and arduous process, but I wouldn't feel awesome buying something frivilous because it is instant gratification...

...unless you saved up your pennies for many months to buy that badass sword +1, than maybe you would feel good about it.

[Mhurron]

Re: Final Fantasy XIV a Serious WoW Rival, says Wada

But there are some people that do see it as an accompishment when they can pay bills.
Anyone have credit card debt? Wouldn't you feel great if you could pay them off? Would that be a sense of accomplishment? I think so.

Relief and accomplishment are not the same thing.

[Mezlo]

Re: Final Fantasy XIV a Serious WoW Rival, says Wada

If you work harder to make more money, to buy an item in game that you couldn't afford otherwise could be an accomplishment. You went above and beyond your normal workload, causing more stress than you normally endure, to make more money that allows you to purchase something. This is an accomplishment. Whether you chose to spend your money on a new video game, or in game item doesn't matter. Working harder, to make money to buy something is an accomplishment to some.

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Relief and accomplishment are not the same thing.

I disagree. To you maybe, but not to others. Hence the FTFY a few posts up.

[Jei]

Re: Final Fantasy XIV a Serious WoW Rival, says Wada

So anyone here that "work 10-12 hours a day, and have a girlfriend and real life engagements that come before a game" raise you hand

' ')/

And I have 40 employees and my dad's 36 chihuahuas to feed too. If only FFXIV would give my a quest to stomp these chihuahua I'm gonna get it done real fast and over and over and rake in exp and gil.

[Kailea]

Re: Final Fantasy XIV a Serious WoW Rival, says Wada

So anyone here that "work 10-12 hours a day, and have a girlfriend and real life engagements that come before a game" raise you hand

' ')/

And I have 40 employees and my dad's 36 chihuahuas to feed too. If only FFXIV would give my a quest to stomp these chihuahua I'm gonna get it done real fast and over and over and rake in exp and gil.

wait wait.... 36 chihuahuas... please tell me you are exaggerating.......

[Kiamii]

Re: Final Fantasy XIV a Serious WoW Rival, says Wada

*raises hand* i'm a mo

So anyone here that "work 10-12 hours a day, and have a girlfriend and real life engagements that come before a game" raise you hand

/ I'm a mom, i have a 3 yr old boy at home. My dedication is to my family, it's hard being out done by people with no lives every turn i take on mmo's but i do also like gettign something accomplished. Just wish it didn't take 40 people to do something worth while!

[fairyoracle75]

Re: Final Fantasy XIV a Serious WoW Rival, says Wada

So anyone here that "work 10-12 hours a day, and have a girlfriend and real life engagements that come before a game" raise you hand

' ')/

I work 2 jobs plus caregive for my two elderly parents and have no time for a social life. People always put me down because I've been playing for 3 years and only just approaching a 75 but my life is not the game.

[ShepardG]

Re: Final Fantasy XIV a Serious WoW Rival, says Wada

RL will always be more important that any video game. Bottom line.

However, I am excited about these "Cash Shops". I don't have time to farm 6-7 million gil to get a roundel earring. I mean. If I catch my Limit of 200 Fish a day, (which can take 4-5 hrs) and then farm for another 2hrs, how much money would you say I make? 200 Black sole = 16ish stacks, 12k a stack. Round up to 200k. 200k a day, f'ing fishing... 5hrs is all i get to play on the week nights. So 200k / 5hrs = 40k/hr ... This is assuming that I only reel in Black sole, and that I cast as soon as possible. Now I have to wait for my 7 stacks a day to sell, but i'll get to that in a second

So M-F I "Work" to make the gil for the item I want to buy (Roundel Earring) 5hrs a day, for 200k a day (assuming I sell every fish that day). I don't get to campaign, or level, or merit, or kill NM's, or ENM, or Dynamis.

So 6.5mil / 200k is like .... 32.5 I think (math maybe wrong..) 32.5 days of just catching fish. Since you can only sell 7 stacks of stuff a day, maybe tack on another 8 days of just selling, so now you have fished for 8 weeks. M-F, nothing but fishing. Sure if you play on the weekends and get lucky with BCNM's or ENM's you could get a hagun, or a speed belt, or trotters. Which is great, but this isn't reliable income, so i'm not counting it.

So for 8 weeks. 2 months you didn't play FFXI you just fished. Now imagine if htat same roundel earring was sold by the SE store, for 40$. Would you do that? on my watlz's 5% increase is almost 170 more HP. That is ridiculusly good. Now I can campaign for 8 weeks instead, and cap out my merits on Dancer, allowing me to become a useful job for my LS to bring to Dynamis. Which I can now attend, because I'm not fishing for 5 hours a night.

And if the Roundel earring i bought for 40$ isn't Ra/Ex then when I need a Ridill for Ranger or War when I decide to level that next, I can trade it to someone who is leveling WHM and now I have a Ridill (this would assume ridill was Ra, and not Ra/Ex) Instead of having to buy a Ridill from the SE store.

This is just one very narrow example of how FFXI Is, and how a hypothetical store would work for FFxi. Heck, you could make NQ cursed gear sellable, and HQ only craftable. So faf/nid would still have a reason to be camped and killed.

Another problem that SE has with FFXI is their inability to "Trump" older gear (I'm looking at you Adaman Hauberk). It is still the most powerful body piece for the jobs that can wear it. Imagine if they came out with something new in the, as of yet, un-released Endgame content for WoTG. (A body piece with 10acc 15atk, 3% haste, 7str, 7vit, Store TP +10. )

Now sell the darn abjuration in the SE store. Heck you might be able to rescue the crafting problems with a system like that. So now you can buy an E.Body for 60$ but everyone who has one already wants the new body from WoTG.

Agian, purely hypothetical.

Like everything in Video game life, and in Real life. It can be done right or wrong. But i'm definetly going to give it a chance and when I have to leave the game for 8 months, to go disarm bombs in some foregin land, I won't feel like i've missed half the game when I come back and drop 200-300 of my hard fought dollar bills on some gear that I probably could have earned had I not been knee deep in the shit of the real world.