FFXIV interview.

[Aksannyi]

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I appreciated the faction aspect in WoW but I hated that we couldn't communicate at all. I'm sure Blizzard did that so we wouldn't gank and talk shit all night and day, but really, if you think limiting communication is going to stop people talking shit ... well, it isn't. There was plenty of shit-talking between Horde characters regardless.

I like that there might be some strain here, but there's also no PvP. I understand that they don't want people getting ganked left and right, and that's fine, but if you're going to have factions which may be fighting with each other (or maybe just aren't exactly friends), I don't see why we can't fight each other just a little. It would do a lot to immerse people into the whole PvP aspect. You could still group with them to accomplish things, but perhaps that could even affect your level of fame/reputation ... aiding the enemy or something. Would be interesting, and it would inject an amount of RP into servers without actually turning them into RP severs. I mean in XI there was always this "Ewwwwww you're from Basstock ... ewwwwww" thing, but never anything serious. Would be kind of awesome to see them expand on that somewhat. I'm not terribly interested in completely limiting who I can group with because of faction alliances to the extent that WoW did, but there might be something in place where "opposing" factions might not want to always do things together, or maybe certain missions can't include members of the "opposition."

It would definitely inject a bit of RP there. I also kind of hope they don't allow us to change nations or anything, it seems to give people a bit more of an allegiance that really isn't quite existent in FFXI. I had someone switch nations just to be closer to his guild, not out of any sense of "This is the best nation and I like it the best and I'm loyal to it."

Would be interesting to see. But I'm fairly doubtful.

[Raydeus]

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Speaking of interviews, I'm reading the interview from 4gamer right now.

I didn't know Tanaka-san was in charge of the UI in XI. System limitations considered it's my favorite UI so I was dissapointed to read he wont be taking care of it personally this time around.

[Omgwtfbbqkitten]

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I would like the see them add better incentives for being a part of a certain nation. Not just some doofus rings and conquest rewards, but actually have that nation's quests provide some incentives to remain patriotic. That said, I never have left Windurst. That's because its where all the smart people live.

So far the crafts of FFXIV seem to have a bit mode personality to them than just straight-up synthesis. A Roegadyn blacksmith or a Lalafell harvester are much more striking imagery, especially now that there will be actual meaning to crafts with item permanence out the window.

FFXI's RNG and BST had a little more immersion to the job in that they had abilities like Widescan or Scavenge. which made them feel like hunters and gatherers. These are things that actually lended character to a potential craft. Fishing did as well, because it was the only craft without synthesis to drive it. but it was essential to cooking and alchemy.

[jenova_9]

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Speaking of interviews, I'm reading the interview from 4gamer right now.

I didn't know Tanaka-san was in charge of the UI in XI. System limitations considered it's my favorite UI so I was dissapointed to read he wont be taking care of it personally this time around.

waaa, my ff8 disks don't read anymore. maybe its the ps1. but , I think FFXIV might have a Garden guild with kewl navy blue uniforms!

[Aksannyi]

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Maybe they'll have some costumes like they do in Aion. Like some FF8 SeeD uniforms, or a Yuna Summoner outfit. Stuff that maybe costs a lot to make or takes a fairly difficult quest to obtain, but that you could just wear around town to look pretty.

[Pwnagraphic]

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No. Read the other two letters.

Massive Action Game.

"Massive" referring to the size of the battles. Last I checked, MAG doesn't have a persistent world, but simply 255 player online.

Regardless of what you do in the game, it's still a game that is massive. Just like an MMO is a game and is massive. So is MAG an MMO? It's a Massive game, Multiplayer, and it's Online..

[Feba]

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So is MAG an MMO?

No. Learn to fucking read.

MMO refers to games which have persistent online worlds. It's not a measure of size, playerbase, or anything except the formation of a world which exists regardless of what the players do.

When you start a game in MAG, from everything I understand, you start afresh. You do not maintain games for all time. I would presume it uses the traditional lobby/host/join system that most FPS games use.

MMO is shortened from MMORPG -- Massively Multiplayer Online Role Playing Game. This is because MMOs were all originally RPGs, and most still are (there are a couple of MMOFPS and MMORTS out there I think). It was about RPGs which were online, and had massive amounts of players.

This is to distinguish between RPGs which are simply multiplayer (See FFCC), or RPGs which have online play (Neverwinter Nights 2) from RPGs which take place in worlds which are shared by players who may not be directly working with/against each other, such as EQ, UO, FFXI, WoW, etc.

[Pwnagraphic]

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No. Learn to fucking read.

Someone needs to take a chill pill and get laid..

MMO refers to games which have persistent online worlds.

Says who? You?

MMO is shortened from MMORPG -- Massively Multiplayer Online Role Playing Game.

Wouldn't GW be considered an RPG??

[Feba]

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Someone needs to take a chill pill and get laid..

Someone needs to stop using cliches to try to make a point.

Says who? You?

Yes, me and about every other fucking person who knows what they're talking about. What an MMO is in practical terms has never been a subject of debate.

What you're doing is akin to someone talking about cola, and you going "hey, look at this coffee! It's brown and bubbly! It's cola, guys!".

Wouldn't GW be considered an RPG??

RPG sure. But that doesn't make it persistent. The MMO genre, like all genres, is defined by what has come previously. And not everything fits into any genre. There's nothing wrong with that, and there's a lot of value to being new-- but you can't just shoehorn things into the closest relative all the time.

[Pwnagraphic]

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Someone needs to stop using cliches to try to make a point.

No point was being made. I was more like insulting you. You are taking this a bit serious over a smart ass comment lol..

Yes, me and about every other fucking person who knows what they're talking about. What an MMO is in practical terms has never been a subject of debate.

What you're doing is akin to someone talking about cola, and you going "hey, look at this coffee! It's brown and bubbly! It's cola, guys!".

Obviously we're debating it right now so you can't say never. I guarantee it's been debated.

"hey, look at this coffee! It's brown and bubbly! It's cola, guys!"

You never had coffee soda?! What cave have you been in?

You must really take this MMO business seriously. Do you get offended when people say GW is an MMO? Or if someone asks if a Massive Action Game would count as an MMO?? lol.
MAG, is Massive.. It is Multiplayer.. It is Online lol.

So basically what it boils down to whether you like it or not. Is that the meaning MMO goes beyond games like WoW, EQ, FFXI, Aion, EVE, Ultima, and KOR now. In other peoples opinions of course. You may not agree with it, but it's not your place to force your opinion on others either. If Takelli wants to call GW an MMO, then he can.

[Omgwtfbbqkitten]

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To clarify, an MMORPG is a persistent world where activities continue to go on all over that world whether you are playing it or not. Characters and all data related to those characters is stored on a server that also maintains the data of other players and activivies still going on. Its persistent, like real life.

When I leave Crawlers Nest, the Odin version of Crawlers Nest and every other version on every other server still have people in Crawler's nest doing things.

MAG and GWs are not like this. They are PEER-TO-PEER games. The world is not persistent because there is no world, just a hub area where hosts create a room and generate a version of a particular zone. When players are done with the host's game, that version of the world is removed and resets when you play it again.

So while players might be playing in other versions of other places in a Peer-to-peer RPG, none of those areas are static or are affected by player progress - they just constantly reset. They don't have player driven economies.

And all character data is normally left in the hands of players, where they can use it offline if they so choose, but said data can be manipulated and used to exploit the online environment, which in the view of many makes the peer-to-peer RPG inferior since it is much easier to disrupt the enjoyment of other players.

Now, are we clear about the difference or are people still going to be dense about this?

[Pwnagraphic]

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I was just being a smartass from the beginning. A certain someone shoulda caught that at

MAG, is Massive.. It is Multiplayer.. It is Online

But some people just want to get mad. Lack of humor? Maybe.. Passionate about the meaning of MMO. Yes most def.

[Feba]

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You are taking this a bit serious over a smart ass comment lol..

You're an idiot if you think you can establish how someone is taking comments over the internet.

Especially when their replies are so short that they clearly aren't giving you much time or thought.

Obviously we're debating it right now so you can't say never.

As I said, between persons who know what the fuck they are talking about.

Do you get offended when people say GW is an MMO?

No. I get annoyed when people act like fuckwits.

[Pwnagraphic]

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You're an idiot if you think you can establish how someone is taking comments over the internet.

No. I get annoyed when people act like fuckwits.

[Kailea]

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Pwnagraphic, really enough -.- you now know the difference between MMORPG and MORPG or Peer2Peer online games, as described by Omgwtfbbqkitten. So please stop egging on Feba -.-