So, what race? What "class?"

[Ryoii/Nonomii]

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Limsa Lominsa appears to hold great promise of possessing beautiful, open views of the skies above, waters below, and cliffs nearby, which make it a strong candidate to be my home in Eorzea.

My choice of race, sex, and discipline ultimately depends on what will best complement the choice of my companion. I do however hope one of us ends up playing a Miqo'te. I'd otherwise sorely miss having a tail swishing across the screen. The Lalafell don't look as visually appealing to me as the Tarutaru, so I'll unlikely play one of them. The Roegadyn also aren't my taste.

[Takelli]

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I;ll deffiently be an enchanter if its like Rdm, but with more melee ability. Probably the tarus as well. But maybe be a mithra again.

[Malacite]

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Needs more info on Ishgard! > _ <

>.> and if SE tries something like they did with summons in XII again... /wrist. Yeah that's great they tried to come up with some new and original ones but they just had zero appeal :/

Besides, they've come to be a big part of the series and it's just not FF without 'em.

[Yellow Mage]

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Besides, they've come to be a big part of the series and it's just not FF without 'em.

Yeah! Never mind the chocobos. Or the crystals. Or the fact that Nobuo Uematsu is composing the entire freaking soundtrack. Or the recently learned fact that your appearance will always match whichever "job" you are playing.

Nope. It's just not Final Fantasy unless Malacite approves of the freaking Summon list. Cry me a river.

[Armando]

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>.> and if SE tries something like they did with summons in XII again... /wrist. Yeah that's great they tried to come up with some new and original ones but they just had zero appeal :/

Heaven forbid they try to have some originality once in a while!

I mean, don't get me wrong, I like Final Fantasy, I like Summoners, I like the "usual guys" but it's the same thing over and over again more often than not. We've had enough games with the same avatars, we've had a bazillion games where Summoner or the Avatars play a central role to the plot - sometimes the very workings of the universe - we can let it rest once in a while.

I'm not saying "Let's not have Ifrit/Shiva/Bahamut/whatever at all from now on." It's not like I get pissed off when I see a new FF game with the same summons or anything. But damn it doing something different and new and fresh every once in a while is not bad. And in a series that recycles as many elements as this one, "every once in a while" can be a long wait.

[Pwnagraphic]

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Female Galka all the way.

Come on SE, make my wish come true.

I wonder what they would like like..

[TheGrandMom]

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And in a series that recycles as many elements as this one, "every once in a while" can be a long wait.

This is an issue I've been pondering lately. I've been compiling info on FFXIV for the comprehensive thread when I have time. I noticed that a LOT of this game is FFXI redux. Don't get me wrong, I enjoyed my time in FFXI but I certainly hope that they make more than cosmetic changes to the game. Until more detailed information is released, I will remain skeptical about it.

[Malacite]

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Heaven forbid they try to have some originality once in a while!

And at what point did I say they shouldn't every try anything new again? I was specifically criticizing 12's summons because they had zero appeal, and the system itself was clunky and pointless. You could only give each summon to 1 person and besides that, those finisher moves (forget what they're called atm) were so stupidly over powered it didn't matter anyway. Really, I just didn't like any of them. I'm not against them coming up with new ones, just using those guys again >_>

[Omgwtfbbqkitten]

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The plot is similar, but then, many MMORPGs - not just Final Fantasy ones - have similar premises. We already know SE has quite a flair about their stories, so I don't really have any concerns that they won't be able to bring anything original to the central storylines.

I mean, its not like they have Kitase writing the stories for the MMOs, then we would have the same plots we've had ever since FFVI. I personally find the storylines of FFXI and FFXII to be a breath of fresh air compared to the rest of the series since they actually try to go for a high fantasy angle in interesting directions rather than cram emotionally weak characters into yet another evil empire plot. I still think the FFXI/RoZ/CoP trilogy is one of the best FF storylines ever. It had so many tremendous twists to it.

So I'm more wary of FFXIII than FFXIV at this point.

Plus SE has an odd way about things. FFXI was the first MMO and they mostly attempted to blaze their own path and their own ideas. Many ideas worked and many didn't. Some of the decisions they made with FFXI are too hard to go back and change - such as the indestructible weapons and the way that affected the economy and how players approached consumable-based jobs. Or Colibri. Or Utsusemi. I'm sure they would have loved to change some of these things, but they became so deep-rooted in the minds of the community that there would be volatile reactions.

Hell, even if they flub something up in the update and some code fucks up other code, its now a vast conspiracy against the players when that happens (such as the player-made conspiracy regarding the HNM resistance rates, which SE addressed within a week, but oooooh, they're plotting against us. If the endgame scene is now this mentally ill, I don't want to go back into it. I'm afraid I'd catch something and I already have enough to deal with.

Anyway, where SE first totally succeeds, they keep on blazing a trail. An example of this would probably be Dissdia. It seems they came up with an approach to fighting games that blended with RPGs perfectly and they'll probably keep building on it. Then you have all these horrid little borked experiments with various games. Heroes of Mana was a terrible game on every conceptual level, but FFXII Revenant Wings turned out to be a much better game for all the mistakes Heroes of Mana made and no doubt they looked to other games for inspiration.

FFXI was a good game, but had its problems. Some of SE's very own ideas couldn't realistically be fixed without people screaming that there's some evil plot behind itall, so they looked to other MMOs to avoid introducing these problems into FFXIV in the first place.

And these choices that they've assimilated from other MMOs make me feel a bit easier about letting FFXI go and starting anew in FFXIV. I don't expect everything to be in perfect working order from day one - it is an MMO - but I'm more confident that the design decisions here will lead to a healthier, more cultured and matured MMO community than FFXI had.

[Pwnagraphic]

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Sad thing is.. I never payed attention to the storyline of FFXI. I was too busy with trying to level to 75 and get rich to stay ahead of my friends. :-(

[Yellow Mage]

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I noticed that a LOT of this game is FFXI redux.

Actually, I figure it's just a marketing ploy. Release information about the familiar things that FFXI fans would already be able to identify with first, as you have already confirmed their existence, and then progressively release the new, foreign, unique information. For instance, I'm getting the gut feeling that we don't know everything about all the races just yet.

More over, check out the armory system. Two of the most practical complaints that players have had concerning gear-swapping in FFXI is lack of inventory space and healers trying to cure Sir Blinks-a-lot. Right off the bat, they promise more abundant inventories and a static model dependent solely on whichever weapon you are using.

Honestly, in light of my previous post, I'm actually more concerned about the fact that they appear to be trying pretty hard to shove the fact that "THIS IS A FINAL FANTASY GAME!" down our throats ever since the beginning. Perhaps S-E has paid too much heed to the detractors of FFXI, who whine and try renounce it in their own little made-up definitions of a "real" Final Fantasy game. I mean, do we really want S-E trying to pander to those types? They really shouldn't have much to compensate for other than the fact that it is an online game, if that even counts as something worth compensating for.

Furthermore, I, too, am actually rather skeptical about this game, but more so about that very armory system itself than anything. This could be attributed easily to a lack of information, but it seems like every time S-E goes ahead and tries to showcase it as a wonderful system, they say something I don't want to hear and I just get even less enthused about it (which I'm pretty sure is the exact opposite of their intended effect).

I'm not sold on this game by any measure of the imagination. There are other MMOs I am more enthused about and would probably go to before FFXIV, if I ever decided that I actually wanted to take on another MMO anyway (an unlikely event as it is). But, it's a bit early to be making those claims as absolute, I suppose. So, wait and see. To yoink your sentence:

Until more detailed information is released, I will remain skeptical about it.

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such as the player-made conspiracy regarding the NM resistance rates, which SE addressed within three weeks

That.

And how the heck can you make a post regarding "deep-rooted things in FFXI that would be too volatile to change," but mention Colibri over gear-swapping?! The former's only been around for two expansions, tops!

but I'm more confident that the design decisions here will lead to a healthier and more cultured and matured MMO community than FFXI had.

Uh-huh. You are aware that, by modern MMO standards, the FFXI commuinity is actually already quite mature, right?



Other than those things, though, good post.

[Omgwtfbbqkitten]

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And how the heck can you make a post regarding "deep-rooted things in FFXI that would be too volatile to change," but mention Colibri over gear-swapping?! The former's only been around for two expansions, tops!

Because gear swapping is your nitpick and not an issue AT ALL to the majority of the community. No melee or tank or offensive mage gives a crap about the issues gear swapping imposes on healers or that it breaks the fantasy for you.

Because said healer issues can already be addressed via macros. I know there are people that don't believe in writing complex equipment macros, but they are unfortunately wrong. This system was designed for and encourages the use of macros.

Because its not a PVE issue at all, period. Seriously, you and Armando are the only ones I ever see griping about it.

You are aware that, by modern MMO standards, the FFXI commuinity is actually already quite mature, right?

Maybe if your basis for comparison is WoW, otherwise I wholeheartedly disagree with you. As a whole, this community is immensely childish and selfish, the only havens of sanity being here and LBR for me personally. Neither are perfect, mind you, but far better off and better moderated than the rest are.

There is more maturity in the miniscule EQOA community than most of FFXI, endgame dramatards notwithstanding from both sides.

[Feba]

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Seriously, you and Armando are the only ones I ever see griping about it.

I'm insulted.

[Armando]

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Too bad our macros are restricted to 6 lines and I can't fire them off as quickly as I can press keys. Not that FFXIV is likely to have such a shitty UI, but just saying. Oh yeah and I have a Situational Equipment Hell that can only be solved through Spellcast because macros can't/don't/never will remember what I was wearing last. Not to mention all the maintenance involved when you've got a web of macro sets.

I also find it incredibly hard to take this claim

Because gear swapping is your nitpick and not an issue AT ALL to the majority of the community.

seriously when such a large portion of the PC population uses Windower. Whichever amount of people uses scripts or Spellcast over macros, that's how many find the macro system inadequate. And for every person that would use Windower for that reason if he/she had a PC instead of a console, that's another set of people that find macros inadequate.

I'd like them to adhere to KISS (Keep It Simple, Stupid) this time. You might not mind gear swapping any more than you mind random battles, but do we really need this gear-swapping business to min/max and play? I will agree with your assertion that Colibri and Utsusemi are far bigger mistakes, but I stand by my position regarding everything else.

But I have to agree with you, BBQ, in that our community isn't really very mature. Maybe WoW is worse, but hell, the more people you put together in one place, the more asinine things get. Just look at Allakhazam, Killing Ifrit and Blue Gartr's forums. Don't think for one second this forum would be much better off if our active user list grew to match theirs.

[Kailea]

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More over, check out the armory system. Two of the most practical complaints that players have had concerning gear-swapping in FFXI is lack of inventory space and healers trying to cure Sir Blinks-a-lot. Right off the bat, they promise more abundant inventories and a static model dependent solely on whichever weapon you are using.

mmm now this I am worried about, not showing what armor someone has on, would be a step back in RPGs to me. When I have one "insert random crap here" then I want to see that gear on me, not some static generic modal that everyone else has.

I am hoping that this is just faulty translation, or we are thinking of the wrong thing.