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[Armando]

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Playing in a game world of Elves, magic, dragons, floating cities, and summons doesn't do that though??

You're still holding fast to that notion that works of fiction don't need to make sense, I see.

The world has its own rules. You can make a world with dragons and justify their existence. Maybe they actually have enough big shit to eat, like Wivres and Dhalmels and Bugards, to thrive. Whatever.

But when you have a world where things clearly have weight - and then you disregard it by making really fucking big swords and unnecessarily big suits of armor with unnecessarily huge shoulder ornaments, and allow people to jump 300 times in a row, you're clearly contradicting your world's rules.

I'm not saying a game should never transgress against my willingness to employ suspension of disbelief. Just that it should do so for good reason. If they were to include hopping I would hope they also include gameplay that capitalizes on hopping from time to time as well. Otherwise you're just fucking with my head for kicks.

[Pwnagraphic]

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Ok so you think your character at lvl 12 is capable of wearing chainmail(I think that was attainable at 10.. I don't remember) Could run miles in that armor? You know how much that weighs in RL? I body build and I
got to where an immitation suit of armor and it was heavy.. You think that wouldn't slow you down or make you incredibly tired? How about sleeping, eating, pooping, and showering??

So if you want the game to incorporate getting fatigued from over hopping, then it should be the same for simply walking around from point a to b. Even a midbattle fatigue..They don't do that cause it'd take the fun out of the game and I don't know about you, but I don't want to play that game.

[Feba]

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Could run miles in that armor?

As he said. Gameplay over reality. There's no good gameplay reason for jumping, really. There is quite a bit of good gameplay reason for being able to run miles in heavy armor-- mainly, that it gets really fucking annoying for your character to stop and take a break every so often.

[Pwnagraphic]

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As he said. Gameplay over reality. There's no good gameplay reason for jumping, really. There is quite a bit of good gameplay reason for being able to run miles in heavy armor-- mainly, that it gets really fucking annoying for your character to stop and take a break every so often.

Jumping over OBSTACLES isn't a good reason? Seriously.. why does it bother you that people hop? lol I just don't get it. Get over iiiiiit.

[Armando]

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Jumping over OBSTACLES isn't a good reason?

This can be handled automatically. Like Zelda.

That doesn't have to be the only reason but it's not the most riveting one. Maybe jumping can avoid some attacks, or some actions can only be done in the air - and similarly the enemy has spells or other ways of keeping you grounded. Something like that would be fine. Hell, if it'll make for less boring dungeons I would support it for no other reason than that.

lol I just don't get it.

I generally refrain from taking cheap shots but sometimes you don't get a lot of things.

[Feba]

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No, jumping over obstacles isn't a good reason to have a bunch of people acting like douches ruining the game's integrity.

[jenova_9]

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the bottom line is that free jumping messes up the mmorpg atmosphere in a really bad way. And not just from a roleplaying sense. These are the stupid things people don't even want to see abused in even First Person Shooters and other online games

Jumping around constantly without any respect for the atmosphere and the meaning of role playing games, is granting too much freedom to the user, and abusing it is something people can't ignore entirely.

Sometimes I feel mmorpgs should be rated Mature, but of course that won't help at all because there are also adults who don't give a damn about how others feel, because their brain is only capable of treating an mmorpg like a Southpark joke. They are the type of people who would dunk their head into toilets for fun. They have no class, and no dignity. FFXIV should not grant an unrestricted and abusable ability to the masses.

[Rostum]

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Playing in a game world of Elves, magic, dragons, floating cities, and summons doesn't do that though??

You need to go research what "Suspension of Disbelief" is, because you have the wrong idea thus far.

[Yellow Mage]

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Ok so you think your character at lvl 12 is capable of wearing chainmail(I think that was attainable at 10.. I don't remember) Could run miles in that armor? You know how much that weighs in RL? I body build and I
got to where an immitation suit of armor and it was heavy.. You think that wouldn't slow you down or make you incredibly tired? How about sleeping, eating, pooping, and showering??

So if you want the game to incorporate getting fatigued from over hopping, then it should be the same for simply walking around from point a to b. Even a midbattle fatigue..They don't do that cause it'd take the fun out of the game and I don't know about you, but I don't want to play that game.

WHY DON'T YOU GET IT?!

GAMEPLAY BEFORE REALISM:

THAT IS THE MORAL.

JUMPING IS NOTHING

THAT REALLY COUNTS AS GAMEPLAY

UNLESS IT'S NEEDED!

/haiku

[Pwnagraphic]

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This can be handled automatically. Like Zelda.

That doesn't have to be the only reason but it's not the most riveting one. Maybe jumping can avoid some attacks, or some actions can only be done in the air - and similarly the enemy has spells or other ways of keeping you grounded. Something like that would be fine. Hell, if it'll make for less boring dungeons I would support it for no other reason than that.I generally refrain from taking cheap shots but sometimes you don't get a lot of things.

Honestly you just sound like a whinny brat that gets more annoyed by people hopping than it effecting your belief of realism and and gameplay.

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No, jumping over obstacles isn't a good reason to have a bunch of people acting like douches ruining the game's integrity.

People playing a game and jumping around ruins the games integrity? lawl..

[Feba]

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Honestly you just sound like a whinny brat that gets more annoyed by people hopping than it effecting your belief of realism and and gameplay.

and and he's rubber and you're glue.


People hopping around like rabbits doesn't break your suspension of disbelief? Fine.

People hopping around like rabbits is so completely normal to you that anyone who disagrees must be a whiny brat?

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People playing a game and jumping around ruins the games integrity? lawl..

No, people jumping around like the ground is one giant trampoline ruins a game's integrity.

If people do things that don't make sense EVEN IN A FANTASY WORLD, then yes, that breaks suspension of disbelief.

[Pwnagraphic]

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the bottom line is that free jumping messes up the mmorpg atmosphere in a really bad way. And not just from a roleplaying sense. These are the stupid things people don't even want to see abused in even First Person Shooters and other online games

Jumping around constantly without any respect for the atmosphere and the meaning of role playing games, is granting too much freedom to the user, and abusing it is something people can't ignore entirely.

Sometimes I feel mmorpgs should be rated Mature, but of course that won't help at all because there are also adults who don't give a damn about how others feel, because their brain is only capable of treating an mmorpg like a Southpark joke. They are the type of people who would dunk their head into toilets for fun. They have no class, and no dignity. FFXIV should not grant an unrestricted and abusable ability to the masses.

Jenova.. you serious?? Who cares? lmao.. I can't believe people hopping around really bothers people this much. Like.. wow.. So if I were to talk about my day job, would I be disrespecting the MMO atmosphere? Please elaborate since I don't get much.

[Neverslip]

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Jump? ... I don't need a Jump option.

... yet...I don't want what seems to be a pebble to be insurmountable for the "Hero of the Land" to find a way around.

[Takelli]

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Dude are you serious? When XI came out I got it the day of release at its peak with thousands of PS2 players and had to play on dialup and had minimal to no lag.. If you're getting lag from people doing a normal action in the game from jumping.. then you'll get the same lag from someone emoting or walking in general. I think you should probly upgrade your internet if you lag when people "bunny hop" lol. I played WoW on wireless and never had that problem and I had a shitty wireless B router that barely reached my room. You should maybe invest in fiber optic internet or something man..

My computer isn't the top of the line, but its only 1 year old. The main cities with people bunny hopping me to lagg, and it just looks really stupid at the start anyways. I lagg by the Aht Urgan AH. The lists take forever to load, and my character is unresponsive to half of the commands I use. Its only server lagg that causes me lagg when people do that kind of thing. I went through WoW, and people did the bunny hopping shit, and it caused me to lagg out. But as soon as no one was doing it, I was perfectly fine.

[Pwnagraphic]

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and and he's rubber and you're glue.


People hopping around like rabbits doesn't break your suspension of disbelief? Fine.

People hopping around like rabbits is so completely normal to you that anyone who disagrees must be a whiny brat?

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No, people jumping around like the ground is one giant trampoline ruins a game's integrity.

If people do things that don't make sense EVEN IN A FANTASY WORLD, then yes, that breaks suspension of disbelief.

I don't care what people do ingame.. if you want to jump around endlessly or sit there and /dance and walk away, so be it. Why should it bother you that people do that? Get over it and play your game it's ook. it's not hurting you Feba lol.

And no he sounds like one of those "jumping is around constantly is a nuisance to the MMO world!!" people.. who whine about it for what reason? Oh freaking well lol.

There's so many other things that happen frequently in MMO's that ruins the integrity of the game and jumping isn't one of them lol. C'mon, people stealing mobs, camps, trash talking, internet gangstas, people conning others out of gil/gold/tunar, training mobs, powerleveling your own character(I think it's called double logging? I don't remember) paying others to level their characters, buying currency.. and hopping around is such a bother to you all? lol