New Age Healer Question. Whm Vs Sch?

[Ameroth]

Re: New Age Healer Question. Whm Vs Sch?

Because when compared to either WHM or SCH, RDM doesn't stand a chance in the healing department.

We all love RDMs, but we don't love them for their healing as much as we do their other specialties.

[Solymir]

Re: New Age Healer Question. Whm Vs Sch?

Yet they are invited as the only mage in some cases, and fill the healer role very nicely. As I said in my other post you can't ask who the better healer is without mentioning what the situation is. I'm sure there are people who invite Sch's and Whm's to their Merit parties, but I haven't met any of them.

[Firewind]

Re: New Age Healer Question. Whm Vs Sch?

RDMs get invited as the only mage because they can comfortably fill in for all mage roles at once. That and Convert.

[Omgwtfbbqkitten]

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RDMs get invited as the only mage because they can comfortably fill in for all mage roles at once. That and Convert.

Its just that that they have Refresh, Haste, Covert and Cures. Nothing more, nothing less. Enfeebles if you bother to go to a traditional camp, which even the most "oppressed" of RDMs refuse to go to since getting 75 is far more important than capping enfeebling Capping is what Besieged is for, well, every 16 hours it is, anway.

RDM just gets a lot of hype from the ToA era. Back in the RoZ/CoP days, RDMs would rather have a hole put in thier heads than play main healer. If I wasn't informed that I was a main healer before invite, I just disbanded when they dropped it on me because they clearly didn't know how hard it was to lay a full cycle of enfeebles, Haste, Refresh all on top of main healing. Especially when I would show up /BLM.

Only took RDM as far as I did because I was in a static that had a WHM, second the leader of the static stabbed us all in the back, I really. Before that happened, it was a blast to team up with the BLM to MB. After that static broke, all my invites were for main heal - and this was well before ToA. I saw the writing on the wall and wanted no part of ir. If I can't use my job's specialization in PT situations, its not fun to me.

[Malacite]

Re: New Age Healer Question. Whm Vs Sch?

Given that RDM have haste and a near inexhaustible supply of MP it's no small wonder.

[TheGrandMom]

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Given that RDM have haste and a near inexhaustible supply of MP it's no small wonder.

That's only true when you are in a GOOD pt. If you get into one of those pt's where melee think that they need to be uber and do the mostest ostest damage......ya they are MP sinks and even if you are a great rdm it can be hard to keep the flow of the pt going.

[Andrinor]

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I'm sure there are people who invite Sch's and Whm's to their Merit parties, but I haven't met any of them.

I was just in one on Saturday with a WHM main heal. PT was WAR SAM MNK BRD BRD WHM. Chain 200 and the WHM never got below 700MP thanks to songs/nobles/sanction/sublimation. Again, it's all about the player playing the job. I'm sure some WHM/SCHs couldn't handle this, but this one did quite nicely and in the end result I don't really care HOW we got to chain 200, only THAT we got there.

[Truece]

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I was just in one on Saturday with a WHM main heal. PT was WAR SAM MNK BRD BRD WHM. Chain 200 and the WHM never got below 700MP thanks to songs/nobles/sanction/sublimation. Again, it's all about the player playing the job. I'm sure some WHM/SCHs couldn't handle this, but this one did quite nicely and in the end result I don't really care HOW we got to chain 200, only THAT we got there.

I prefer to be WHM healer (as opposed to RDM) in a bird camp (which I assume is what you were fighting), especially with competent DDs. I would go so far as to say that if there is a WHM/SCH who couldn't handle a bird burn, then they need to retire. If the melee's are nice enough to put together a darkness SC every few minutes (and the WHM is competent enough to MB aspir), I'd say you don't even need ballads to keep MP up.

I think it is less stressful healing a (competent) bird burn than it is being a melee in one. The key thing is that you have competent players.

[Balfree]

Re: New Age Healer Question. Whm Vs Sch?

Wouldnt the bird then Aspir you and steal that MP?

[Sabaron]

Re: New Age Healer Question. Whm Vs Sch?

A WHM/SCH healer is my preferred meripo healer at all camps. They have adequate refresh to handle all camps competently. Regen III and Cure V ensure efficient use of MP. Sublimation, Nobles Tunic, and Ballad provide 6/tick refresh which is generally adequate for a meripo situation. Emergency events (2x or 3x pulls or links) may sap mp and force the WHM to rest, however.

I find that RDMs in meripo camps frequently have an overabundance of MP especially if they have Convert merits because debuffing is not terribly worthwhile since the mobs don't last very long. RDM, of course, will usually be able to handle an emergency event without resting.

I've had SCH healers as well and they do just fine, but the lack of Haste in a meripo isn't cool since meripo is all about speed and everyone comes to a meripo bristling with Haste gear to take advantage or the Haste/March madness.

[Truece]

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Wouldnt the bird then Aspir you and steal that MP?

No, the aspir will hit whoever has hate, which shouldn't be the healer.

[Firewind]

Re: New Age Healer Question. Whm Vs Sch?

The above post is why I want to slap BRDs who spam Elegy when fighting birds. Every time they cast that spell I have to spend 58MP on Erase+Haste on the tank and again when they use elegy again. That 58MP adds up quickly.

[Omgwtfbbqkitten]

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I've had SCH healers as well and they do just fine, but the lack of Haste in a meripo isn't cool since meripo is all about speed and everyone comes to a meripo bristling with Haste gear to take advantage or the Haste/March madness.

I've found people get by just fine on March in meritpo. Or just Haste without march. A good PT can still get high chains without one or the other. Only the people that thing Chain #3849384 is a good chain seem to take issue. Most meritpos are over and done in a couple hours these days, so long as people walked away with a decent amount of LPs, most people won't complain.

And it is a bitch to get bird camps on Odin and I'd wager Bahamut as well. People on Odin have to fan out to other camps. People on smaller servers are just plain spoiled on birds.

[Ezza]

Re: New Age Healer Question. Whm Vs Sch?

WHM will always heal better then a sch due to their cureing gear(noble's tunic, light staff, etc), though i Love sch, im 75sch and 75whm i Know for a fact a sch can main heal in any pt never say they cant, because they CAN. SCHs MP saving and Ga effects can make any pt good, they also work well without a rdm due to their Sublimation, (which is better then refesh @ 75 with relic and AF gear.) though whm/sch is a very effective combo but Sublimation as a sub isnt as effective as sch, so a refesh is better.

[TheGrandMom]

Re: New Age Healer Question. Whm Vs Sch?

though whm/sch is a very effective combo but Sublimation as a sub isnt as effective as sch, so a refesh is better.

Thank you. Quoting you and posting on my ls forums. I'm tired of our one whm subbing sch and insisting on using Sub. Then she doesn't use it all the time either and she expects me to mind read when she's not using it so I can refresh. "You know I've been without refresh for quite a while." /stab /stab /stab I'd like to say "You know you've been without brains for even longer." Let's see I've been busy hasting, curing (cause you suck at it), refreshing, sleeping, debuffing, buffing pt (cause again you suck), etc. I'll add watching every move you make to the list asap!