Few questions from a new White Mage

[WovenDarkness]

Re: Few questions from a new White Mage

I have tried asking people for help...

I remember what a pain it was getting those keys. My play time is limited, but I'd be happy to give you a hand. ...besides that, I need a break from leveling. I'll look for you when i get on. I'd like to say that I'll be on today, but it will realistically be some time this weekend. What is your timezone and what time(s) do you generally play? I'll see what I can do to wrap my schedule around that.

Everyone should experience the wonders that are the jungles.

[Firewind]

Re: Few questions from a new White Mage

Thanks to help from WovenDarkness I now only need the Giddeus Key. It shouldn't take too long considering I know a high level freind who wants to camp a NM over there so I could join him until the key drops i guess.

[Ellipses]

Re: Few questions from a new White Mage

Just joining him while he camps won't get you the key. The NM he's almost certainly after is in an area of 2nd-tier Yagudo. The key only drops from 3rd-tier Yagudo, further south of that area. Not that a detour to get the key should be a problem or anything, just want to make sure you know that going in.

[Firewind]

Re: Few questions from a new White Mage

He is after an Aspir Knife as he is levelling his THF class. I'm not entirely sure just how useful Apsir is to a THF but that is the item that he is going after. To be honest a detour won't take long. The keys drop very quickly and while most stuff there won't aggro I can just Metal Gear my way (What my LS calls using Sneak and Invis) past the ones that do aggro me.

[Icemage]

Re: Few questions from a new White Mage

He is after an Aspir Knife as he is levelling his THF class. I'm not entirely sure just how useful Apsir is to a THF but that is the item that he is going after. To be honest a detour won't take long. The keys drop very quickly and while most stuff there won't aggro I can just Metal Gear my way (What my LS calls using Sneak and Invis) past the ones that do aggro me.

I can't for the life of me figure out what a thief would want with an Aspir Knife, to be honest. Be that as it may, as long as it swings you close by there, more power to you.

Realistically, for someone helping you get keys, it would be better for you to just stay safe at the zoneline, or busy yourself farming bees and yagudo in the outer areas. There's no reason to go all the way in when you're not going to add much firepower to the mix, and are in significant danger if you're there.


Icemage

[Tomato_Kai]

Re: Few questions from a new White Mage

It took me a minute to figure what you meant by "Metal Gear" ... XD

That's funneh.


I can just imagine Snake walking up behind Yagudo and snapping it's neck, then pulling off a mask to reveal... a cute little whm XD



Also: Many classes solo this stuff, but it's terribly unpleasant to do so. I'd just sit around the spawn area, and wait for someone else to come by and ask to group with them. That's kinda what I did. Worked out well for me :D

[WovenDarkness]

Re: Few questions from a new White Mage

Thanks to help from WovenDarkness I now only need the Giddeus Key. It shouldn't take too long considering I know a high level freind who wants to camp a NM over there so I could join him until the key drops i guess.

Happy to help.

Hopefully you won't have a problem getting that last key before next weekend. Should that not be the case, feel free to look me up in-game Friday-Sunday.

[Firewind]

Re: Few questions from a new White Mage

Turns out that my friend wanted the knife to level BLM and RDM without checking that BLMs and RDMs use daggers, not knives. Still we duo'd the last key a few days back so it was no problem.

Kazham is a lot, lot better than Qufim as far as party maturity does. leaders will actually assign roles and people actually wait for the mages to get back to at least 75% Mp before pulling.

I only ran into a couple of idiots there. the first was a Red mages who thought he could do everything. The following was said during the exping time:

"You might as well leave Enfeebs to the Red Mage i mean White mages are so much better with thier C+"
"Don't bother using regen, it wastes MP"
"Don't use Cure III, I can get the tank out of the red with Cure II" (which was nowhere near capped)
"Stop overhealing!" (After I took the front line jobs out of orange health after a nasty bomb toss)
"You know I can handle healing better because my equip is better" (All of my cures are capped and Cure 3 heals 170. his Cure 2 didn't even hit 70)
"Don't nuke, save your Mp for healing"
"I already regen'd the tank so you just wasted MP again!" (He often regened people without saying)
"Oh I have protect 2 so don't bother buffing" (After I protectra and Shellra'd the party when he would only protect the Blink Tank)

So I was stuck with a RDM too far up his own ass to even let the WHM heal nevermind relieve the RDM of some tasks.

Kazahm has also taught me just how useless Blink Tanks really are bad at both holding hate and actually tanking. In another party our DRG ended with all of the hate while is bounced between him, myself and our SCH. Kazham has also taught me that I don't have to stay in a bad party. I was invited to one party that consisted of a BLM/WHM, SMN/WHM, WHM/THF (Don't ask) and myself (WHM/BLM). We then invited the DRG mentioned earlier and the following happened:

WHM/THF (leader): lol ok lets pull! Sardia [me] man heal ok?"
Me: Wait who is tank?
Leader: Pulling1
DRG: Wait why are you WHM/THF?
Leader: lol I who level subjob?
Me: Shouldn't we invite someone to DD so the BLM doesn't take too much hate
leader: loldrg can do it. we fin! pulling1
*Sardia and DRG [forgot his name] have left the party*

Not only did he have a useless subjob that was way underlevelled but he also didn't assign any roles and didn't even wait for a 6th member so the DRG and I ran off to join the other party that was more than happy to have us.

Oh and one last thing Kazham has taught me. Having a PUP, DRG and SMN in a party, all of which with their pets out sucks. It causes a LOT of lag sometimes especially when there are other parties in the area. Unfortunately those jobs are also some of the best to party with IMO so it's kinda a Catch-22 situation ^_^;;

I have also found out that resting in Yhoator Jungle is quite possibly the most dangerous thing a WHM can do due to wandering Gobs.

[Celeal]

Re: Few questions from a new White Mage

Well, the good thing is, it gives players chances to build up party skill

[Olorin401]

Re: Few questions from a new White Mage

I only ran into a couple of idiots there. the first was a Red mages who thought he could do everything. The following was said during the exping time:

"You might as well leave Enfeebs to the Red Mage i mean White mages are so much better with thier C+"
"Don't bother using regen, it wastes MP"
"Don't use Cure III, I can get the tank out of the red with Cure II" (which was nowhere near capped)
"Stop overhealing!" (After I took the front line jobs out of orange health after a nasty bomb toss)
"You know I can handle healing better because my equip is better" (All of my cures are capped and Cure 3 heals 170. his Cure 2 didn't even hit 70)
"Don't nuke, save your Mp for healing"
"I already regen'd the tank so you just wasted MP again!" (He often regened people without saying)
"Oh I have protect 2 so don't bother buffing" (After I protectra and Shellra'd the party when he would only protect the Blink Tank)

So I was stuck with a RDM too far up his own ass to even let the WHM heal nevermind relieve the RDM of some tasks.

Dude.. if I saw a player like this, much less a RDM, I'd have to put my foot up his arse.

[Firewind]

Re: Few questions from a new White Mage

*nods* I ended up just ignoring him and doing the exact opposite of what he was saying. It shut him up fairly quickly

[Mog]

Re: Few questions from a new White Mage

Kazahm has also taught me just how useless Blink Tanks really are bad at both holding hate and actually tanking. In another party our DRG ended with all of the hate while is bounced between him, myself and our SCH.

Yuhtunga Jungle is really the bane of all ninjas everywhere. Mandies attack too fast and without the help of Utsusemi Ni, ninja's get pounded.

When you get higher up, you'll learn though that ninjas become much better tanks at 37, just as good as paladin. ( but that's for another thread )

[Pteryx]

Re: Few questions from a new White Mage

Sucky-sounding RDM, yeah. The only thing he said that had any merit is that RDM is a better enfeebler.

Concerning the jungles, this is one of the few times Barsleepra will be of use. Exploit it if you haven't been already. -- Pteryx

[Vandros]

Re: Few questions from a new White Mage

Interesting thread, fun to see whm from a completely new character's viewpoint...I've been taking a mule's mage jobs through the dunes recently, so I understand all the frustration on the parties you get!

On Kazham: The best advice I can give on this, after many many many parties there is for the love of Altana, don't pull goblin smithys if you can at all help it. No, I mean it. They're horrible mobs, they hit very hard, bomb toss wastes mp, and they've got a jacked up double attack rate. If the exp is so low that even pulling chain4-5 on mandies isn't good enough, it's time to move on to the next jungle. Even a 200 base exp mandy is better than fighting warrior goblin types.

[Firewind]

Re: Few questions from a new White Mage

I found that 4 people at Lv30 can chain Furriers at an alarmingly fast rate. The party was WHM/BLM (me), SCH/RDM, NIN/WAR and PUP/WAR (with Master Healing Puppet). We were getting 50-200 a pop depending on the level and they can be killed faster than Mandies since Furriers are nice squishy Rangers rather than big tough monks). We can kill 4-6 Furriers in the time it takes to kill one Mandie in the second jungle and we gain more or less the same amount of exp in less time. The pops are fairly quick and they don't hit hard enough to warrant more than a regen and the odd Cure 2.

Right now I need to do some farming so I can afford the pretty new scrolls I can now use. Fishing, farming silk threads and dumping random junk on my mule to craft into stuff that sells are my main income at the moment since well at this level i can't do much else.