How to level a whm...

[Silent Howler]

Re: How to level a whm...

I have to disagree with this. Chariot band wont stand up against an Empress Band in the long run. And buying a CB before an empress band will only waste CP (you can't have both). I'd just buy and Empress band as soon as you get 1000 conquest points.

Yeah I know the Empress Band is flat-out better, but I don't see much harm in getting the Chariot Band for starting out. Think about it. You can use it's exp bonus to level faster, sooner, and also use it to get more conquest points to later spend on an Empress Band.

[Soulsaver]

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I think that you all make very good points, and I will try to get a Empress Band as soon as possible! One more thing though, do you need every whm spell?

[Silent Howler]

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Yes, you should definitely get every spell you can get for WHM. But there are some spells that you don't need to get as soon as possible. Like for example, Barstonra. You can get this spell at lvl 5, but it doesn't truely become important until you start fighting worms in Korroloka Tunnel at around lvl 15.

[Icemage]

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You don't need some of the WHM spells right away. Bar-anything other than Barwatera, Barblizzara, Barfira, and Barstonra is pretty much a waste of time for many, many levels. Barparalyzra, Barpoisonra, and all the other anti-status effect spells are all but useless.

Diaga is a big time nono. Don't buy this spell. Seriously. The only thing it is good for is getting you killed by accidentally attracting the attention of neutral monsters in the vicinity.


Icemage

[Mog]

Re: How to level a whm...

You don't need some of the WHM spells right away. Bar-anything other than Barwatera, Barblizzara, Barfira, and Barstonra is pretty much a waste of time for many, many levels. Barparalyzra, Barpoisonra, and all the other anti-status effect spells are all but useless.

Diaga is a big time nono. Don't buy this spell. Seriously. The only thing it is good for is getting you killed by accidentally attracting the attention of neutral monsters in the vicinity.


Icemage

Just out of curiousity, is there any merit to ever using this spell? The only situation I can think of is if there are many, many mobs that are close to dead and can die by DoT's, but that's all I can think of. I don't think I've ever seen it cast before. x.x

[Icemage]

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Just out of curiousity, is there any merit to ever using this spell? The only situation I can think of is if there are many, many mobs that are close to dead and can die by DoT's, but that's all I can think of. I don't think I've ever seen it cast before. x.x

The only application I've ever used Diaga for is to wipe out shadows when NIN-type enemies use Utsusemi: Ni.


Icemage

[Sabaron]

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The only application I've ever used Diaga for is to wipe out shadows when NIN-type enemies use Utsusemi: Ni.


Icemage

Personally I prefer Sleepga and Stonega for shadow-wiping. They don't DoT my mob... I have used Diaga when I can't sub BLM though. It's not a particularly useful spell, but it gets more play than Goblin Gavotte...

[Icemage]

Re: How to level a whm...

Personally I prefer Sleepga and Stonega for shadow-wiping. They don't DoT my mob... I have used Diaga when I can't sub BLM though. It's not a particularly useful spell, but it gets more play than Goblin Gavotte...

That's the point though. Those aren't WHM spells.


Icemage

[Feenicks]

Re: How to level a whm...

Yeah I know the Empress Band is flat-out better, but I don't see much harm in getting the Chariot Band for starting out. Think about it. You can use it's exp bonus to level faster, sooner, and also use it to get more conquest points to later spend on an Empress Band.

Fairly certain that CP received isn't dependant on XP and that Chariot/Empress Band doesn't increase the number of CP received per kill.

[Theyaden]

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Enfeebles are a waste of MP if you're going to be mass-killing EP mobs, which is by far the best way to get EXP at that level. The mobs will die so fast that they're not worth enfeebling, and enfeebling each mob would empty out your MP pool very quickly. Even if that weren't an issue, the HP from an 8 MP Cure will keep you going much longer than the battle advantage a 7 MP Dia grants against EP mobs, since EP mobs that can be killed in 2 to 3 strikes and have bad accuracy and low attack compared to your defense will chip at your HP very, very slowly.

The reason I disagree with this reasoning here is at those low levels I found killing decient challenge to even match to be more efficient. If your only attacking ep then enfeebles would be a waste, but not so much so if your dealing with even or decient. Dia helps them fall quicker. Adding a little skillup before parties is always nice as a side benifit. My 1st job was whm as an Elvan so it may have allowed me to kill tougher mobs that a taru due to higher str and hp. I used club and shield but was well before the 2h update. Banish I found to be a bad joke to use banish. Slow was never really worth while unless it was party fighting at which point it's an it rather than dc or em, but Paralyze has saved me several times upon gaining a link/agro.

[Ellipses]

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Fairly certain that CP received isn't dependant on XP and that Chariot/Empress Band doesn't increase the number of CP received per kill.

CP received is based directly off XP. Ten percent as a base, boosted by a factor of 1.5 if you're fighting in an area controlled by a nation other than your own. And the Chariot and Empress Bands provide CP in line with the bonus XP you receive.

What this means is that as long as you always receive the full bonus XP, Chariot and Empress Band charges pay for themselves. An Empress Band charge costs 100 CP, which is 10% of the 1000 bonus XP you get using a charge.

[Armando]

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The reason I disagree with this reasoning here is at those low levels I found killing decient challenge to even match to be more efficient.

Even if this were true (which all of my experiences contradict), the OP can't take on DCs and EMs. It's a bad idea when you're totally fresh into the game and lack a sub job.

What this means is that as long as you always receive the full bonus XP, Chariot and Empress Band charges pay for themselves. An Empress Band charge costs 100 CP, which is 10% of the 1000 bonus XP you get using a charge.

Quoted for truth.

[Sabaron]

Re: How to level a whm...

That's the point though. Those aren't WHM spells.

Icemage

True, but you get Stonega from /BLM at level 30 so it's not a huge stretch where Diaga is useful (12 levels). I don't think NIN mobs really come into the picture during that time, so the only things with shadows will be Goblin WHMs.

[Theyaden]

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Even if this were true (which all of my experiences contradict), the OP can't take on DCs and EMs. It's a bad idea when you're totally fresh into the game and lack a sub job.

I hope that wasn't an implication I'm lying since I have nothing to gain by it and don't believe I've given cause to sugest I'm untrustworthy. I mentioned being elvan might have made the difference due to higher hp and strength, but this was my personal experience. Around 7 or 8 it got more difficult, but I had a piece of armor for each slot and I was subless at the time also. You don't forget those first learning experiences dc to even match with it becoming dc closer to 6-7th level then at 9 starting to have trouble with dc, if I didn't hit with enfeebles on the initial grab. Just make sure all armor slots are covered (You don't need great gear just to have something for each slot and it adds up).

[DieselBoy09]

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I agree. When I leveled white mage or any job, I stick to dc and em depending on the prey. Bees for whatever reason could be all the way up to T for example, gobs however were comfortable at dc or em.