Benediction not 100% heal

[Shinhiryu_Kage]

Re: Benediction not 100% heal

Some situation concerning damage or a debuff occurred on the player who got Bene'ed that is causing HP to appear as though it was not healed to full.

... and that's it.

[Lasareth]

Re: Benediction not 100% heal

I'd encourage people to actually do field tests with this before posting more assertions. You risk sounding silly if you keep saying "it's full 100% you must be dreaming" when it actually isn't.

I've had the case happen to me that I was restored for much less than my max hp. However, I didn't screenshot it. Next time I'm in beseiged I will run a test and post screenshots.

[Shinhiryu_Kage]

Re: Benediction not 100% heal

I'd encourage people to actually do field tests with this before posting more assertions. You risk sounding silly if you keep saying "it's full 100% you must be dreaming" when it actually isn't.

I've had the case happen to me that I was restored for much less than my max hp. However, I didn't screenshot it. Next time I'm in beseiged I will run a test and post screenshots.

They've been done.

[Lasareth]

Re: Benediction not 100% heal

Well to continue playing this game, "where?"

I'm not saying it's cruicial to know, this topic is pretty unimportant information to begin with and for all intents and purposes benediction is 100% when you need to use it, but that doesn't mean it is straight up 100% healing. How do you reconcile the accounts that it doesn't heal 100%?

And since we've got people saying it "definitely is" either one way or the other, sorry to say I just can't believe it on someone's word alone.

[Dux]

Re: Benediction not 100% heal

As a WHM myself and a player of FFXI since the NA releas on PC I have never observed or heard from any source that Benediction has not cured everybody to 100% health as long as they were in range.

Whilst I offer not proof that it does, the neigh sayers also offer no proof it doesn't. The "slightly less" cases could be explained by the multitude of reasons already mentioned.

Five years of experience tells me Benediction heals everyone 100% all of the time, other very experienced WHMs on this forum also say it always does work that way and there have been no massive influx of mysterious Benediction events on any server due to some update either.

With the simplest answer almost always being the right one, Benediction always has cured 100% to all in range and it still always cures 100% to everyone in range.

If sombody can provide undeniable proof that this isn't so then I am sure the community at large will be happy to reproduce your experiments, validate your findings and agree with you that the properties of Benediction have been subtly altered.

Please feel free to setup a controlled experiment and test this (Lv 1 WHM + Lv 75 Galka MNK with 1 HP standing in Jeuno would be ideal)

[Lasareth]

Re: Benediction not 100% heal





I'm going to try with her and a level 2 mule to see if I can figure out if it's entirely random or if there's a formula involving mnd and or level.

[Taskmage]

Re: Benediction not 100% heal

lol 14 ... wow. You'd think it'd be higher than half the casters hp at least.

[Icemage]

Re: Benediction not 100% heal

LOL. Nice test.

Though if you ever, ever take a level 1 white mage into any situation where Benediction is needed... you deserve to die from sheer stupidity.


Icemage

[Aksannyi]

Re: Benediction not 100% heal

LOL. Nice test.

Though if you ever, ever take a level 1 white mage into any situation where Benediction is needed... you deserve to die from sheer stupidity.


Icemage

LOL! That would be hilarious.

Of course, I never knew that Benediction wouldn't heal all party members to full, unitl now. I thought that was how it was, but apparently I was wrong.

[Lasareth]

Re: Benediction not 100% heal

More results:




From this I've derived a rough formula of:

Benediction healing power = Caster's current level * Your current HP * 7.1842

Here's my data:

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
68rdm 1whm
HP:2/978
Lightningsday
Benediction 14
MND: 9
Lv Diff 67
---
68rdm 2whm
HP:2/978
Lightsday
Benediction 28
MND: 8
Lv Diff 66
---
68rdm 38whm
HP:2/978
Darksday
Benediction 546
MND: ??? (forgot to ask)
Lv Diff 30
---
Level*Available HP*7.1842 = Cure%?
1*2*7 = 14
2*2*7 = 28
75*2*7 = ? 150*7 = 1050hp
38*2*7 = 532 (?)
Test:

LV_|_Tgt.LV_|_Tgt.HP_|_MND_|_LV.Diff_|_Bene
1__| 68_____| 2/978__| 9___| 67______| 14
2__| 68_____| 2/978__| 8___| 66______| 28
38_| 68_____| 2/978__| 42__| 30______| 546
90_| -______| 1000?__| -___| -_______| 630000 <- Theoretical
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

This would explain why HNM can bene for so much and still be compliant with a general formula.

Feel free to test this. :D The equation is most likely wrong, as I have only done limited testing. The next step will be to try with 3 hp and see if I get results in line with what I came up with. I'll post those as soon as I can.

[Icemage]

Re: Benediction not 100% heal

Seems pretty solid, though I'll note:

Level 75 WHM x 7 HP per caster level = 525HP+ per current HP.

You'd literally have to be at death's door with even a moderately levelled WHM not to push you to max HP.

Also note that:

Level 1 WHM x 7 HP per level x 1/7 of max HP = max HP.

Even a level 1 WHM can heal you to full with Benediction as long as you're over 1/7th of your maximum.

For all intents and purposes, you'd have to be in the low single digit HPs to ever see Benediction ever fail to produce maximum HP per this formula.


Icemage

[Ghostraven]

Re: Benediction not 100% heal

wow great work.. Lots of people should feel humbled at this point....

[Shinhiryu_Kage]

Re: Benediction not 100% heal

Congratulations.

I can /bow before information and data proving that popular thinking is wrong.

However, you still risk sounding silly when you consider the notion. I mean, what person is going to take their under-leveled WHM and go heal an Alliance vs Niddhog. Spike Fail Do you Need it?

As was mentioned, for all intents and purposes, Bene will heal to full when its suppose to. Otherwise.... anything else is not a correct situation.

Was anything proven? Sure. Was anything proven that's worth something to a normal, intelligent situation? No. lol

[Lasareth]

Re: Benediction not 100% heal

I'm not saying it's cruicial to know, this topic is pretty unimportant information to begin with and for all intents and purposes benediction is 100% when you need to use it, but that doesn't mean it is straight up 100% healing.

My research was based on curiousity and nothing more. I never said it was practical in any way to bring a whm who wouldn't bring more than a meager benefit from benediction.

I'm not sure where you'd get the idea that I said bringing an underleveled whm to hogg would be useful. Maybe in a fantasy where you wished so clearly and dearly that I could incriminate myself by such a silly thought


And as for the topic, I actually did believe that it was 100% till I saw it happen to me in besieged. It's nice to know, though, for the sake of knowing. Just this topic's being here is proof enough that some people were curious :p

You'd literally have to be at death's door with even a moderately levelled WHM not to push you to max HP.

This should encourage some whms not to wait till their tank is at 1 hp before bene-ing then

Edit:
Here's some additional information

LV_|_Tgt.LV_|_Tgt.HP_|_Tgt.HPP_|_MND_|_LV.Diff_|_Ben__|_f_LV_|
1__| 68_____| 2/978__| 0.204%__| 9___| 67______| 14____|0.2656
1__| 68_____| 3/985__| 0.305%__| 9___| 67______| 14____|0.2656
1__| 75_____| 3/1157_| 0.259%__| 9___| 74______| 15____|0.2930
1__| 68_____| 440/985| 44.67%__| 9___| 67______| 14____|0.2656
2__| 68_____| 2/978__| 0.204%__| 8___| 66______| 28____|0.2656
38_| 68_____| 2/978__| 0.204%__| 42__| 30______| 546___|0.2656
75_| 75_____| 1/1157_| 0.086%__| 75__| 0_______| 1156++|0.2929



So my above equation is most *definitely* wrong. I do have another working equation but I won't post it till I have a bit more evidence for it.

[ItazuraNhomango]

Re: Benediction not 100% heal

However, you still risk sounding silly when you consider the notion.

[...]

Sure. Was anything proven that's worth something to a normal, intelligent situation? No. lol

These are unwarranted criticism for solid research on game mechanism. Lasareth should be applauded, not belittled.

I already see immediate application for WHM's in Valkrum Dunes. By the way, I'm one of those who have used Benediction but didn't get full HP for everyone in party--and now I finally know why.

All knowledge are worth having.