WTF? (PLD drama)

[Illuen]

Re: WTF? (PLD drama)

I, usually, do not heal a PLD normally until their HP gets dangerously low. I know that, for them, it is a great way to grab hate, and I've been in parties before where plds have not had a chance to heal themselves. I just think it is crazy to A) not use your MP when your entire party is in serious danger and B) volunterily let the WHM dies. I love PLDs, I think they are more reliable tanks than NIN, personally, which is why it makes me sad when I party with one so bad x.x

*slightly off topic, where did you get your signature? I've been looking for one like that myself, to show off how completely n00bish I am *

[FranckKnight]

Re: WTF? (PLD drama)

I, usually, do not heal a PLD normally until their HP gets dangerously low. I know that, for them, it is a great way to grab hate, and I've been in parties before where plds have not had a chance to heal themselves. I just think it is crazy to A) not use your MP when your entire party is in serious danger and B) volunterily let the WHM dies. I love PLDs, I think they are more reliable tanks than NIN, personally, which is why it makes me sad when I party with one so bad x.x
*slightly off topic, where did you get your signature? I've been looking for one like that myself, to show off how completely n00bish I am *

Made it myself ^^ I was inspired by the PyroElf signature, and created my own, which was then tested in the fanwork section of this site. Its held on another site, so I just need to update the picture on that server, and its automatically updated on every site that I use it on ^^

I can distribute the Photoshop file of it, so its easier to edit. For those that do that, I propose that they change the backdrop picture and the server avatar pic, for a bit of originality ^^

[Illuen]

Re: WTF? (PLD drama)

And, how much gil would I have to pay you for you to send me it?

[Loial]

Re: WTF? (PLD drama)

Especially if you have good MP regen in the PT, the PLD's MP should never stay full for very long. They should be curing themselves and others within reason to keep hate. At 42, keeping hate is probably cake. Flash/Provoke alone probably can keep the mob glued on the PLD. But, that doesn't mean you shouldn't expend your MP. Its there for a reason.

[Illuen]

Re: WTF? (PLD drama)

Well, let me put it this way. We had a COR who constantly kept up Evokers and Healers, and (except for when people died) we literally had no downtime. After we started a new party and got a new PLD, we tore through everything, and I never had my MP go under 300.

[Raydeus]

Re: WTF? (PLD drama)

There are situations where healing yourself doesn't give you too much hate, specially when you have WHMs who like keeping you at 90%+ HP. In my case I usually tank using Flash, Voke and abilities only (but that's lvl 37+).

That being said, if your WHM (or any mage) is getting hit only a really bad PLD would expect them to heal themselves, since it would bring even more hate on them. That's why in those situations the PLD has to Cure the mage (or other party member), not only to keep em alive but also to regain the lost hate.

Also, before Flash (and Cover for emergencies) the only tool other than Voke we have to get hate are Cures, so before lvl 37 there's no reason not to use MP healing yourself.

I can understand a PLD not wanting to use too much MP pre Refresh, specially if the mages are getting Refresh songs/rolls. But not using MP at all, specially when someone in the party is dying is a really bad sign.

[Illuen]

Re: WTF? (PLD drama)

Hate to necrobump my own post, but, out of the blue today, I got a tell from this PLD. I'd not talked to her, not messed with her, and since we were in different cities, I can only guess she put me on a list of people to be vindictive twords.


Blisting is fun

[eticket109]

Re: WTF? (PLD drama)

Yeah that convo confirms the retard-ation. Part of me thinks that with a bit of communication in party you guys could have worked it out. The rest of me knows that probably wouldn't have accomplished anything either. In the end, disagreements work both ways but they seem to bear the brunt of the responsibility. Like you said... /blist is the way to go.

[tdh]

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Wow... How many days after was that?

I've run into some PLDs who seem to think their MP is just there for show. PLD with 1300HP, and hasn't spent a single MP on Cure and they have 400HP. I've gone through that same experiment. "Let's see how far this bozo will go before they actually Cure themselves." I wasn't asking for them to use ALL of their MP to keep hate and keep themselves alive, but hell, spend at least 100MP a fight so your mages aren't hemorrhaging MP. Guy wouldn't even try to top off his HP AFTER the fight was over.

Another PLD I ran into in a TP Burn party was PLD/NIN. Was doing decent damage, but wouldn't even cast Flash to help the person tanking at the time evade a hit or two. Guy finally managed to pull hate, had full MP (Since I kept the joker Refreshed at all times for some crazy reason.), and was down to 120HP before he bothered to cast a single spell. I was some how blessed to Merit with this guy a comple of times. Their damage output wasn't bad, but they could have at least kept themselves alive. /sigh

Of course there's the other extreme at times. People that spend more MP than they really need to keep hate because far too often mages have let them down. Or they know what it's like to be an awesome DD and having to hold back because the tank can't keep the mobs attention. lol

[DakAttack]

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I like how you exchanged job-based burns. From the Paladin's point of view I could totally see you acting like a Blm, and the Paladin is being pretty emo about the whole thing. I just think the whole thing is pretty funny.

[Illuen]

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tdh, it was just at two weeks afterwards, and myself having no futher altercations with her.

Dak, how am I "acting" like a BLM? I never had asked her to be a Main Healer, IMHO, just that she take the time to heal herself. I seriously didn't get that comment. It isn't like I was "overnuking" Cures, except when i had to to keep people alive because she couldn't keep hate.

[DakAttack]

Re: WTF? (PLD drama)

Actually, the Blm stereotype has sort of transferred to Brds. Blms used to be know-it-alls, bossy, and always had a high and mighty attitude. Now Brds seem to be the king of knowing what everybody should be doing better than the people who are doing it and telling them all about it.

[Murphie]

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That of course, has a lot to do with how parties put them on a pedestal, and will generally bend over backwards so as not to lose them.

I'm not one of those people, but I've definitely seen them.

[Aeni]

Re: WTF? (PLD drama)

Oddly enough, I didn't see no drama with the OP post, but the ensuing thread development afterwards.

This thread delivers. Drama I meant.

[Murphie]

Re: WTF? (PLD drama)

Isn't that generally what people mean when they say that?