Can sneak/invisible be cancelled by mobs?

[Icemage]

Re: Can sneak/invisible be cancelled by mobs?

This has happened to me. Though I'm sure it's just a glitch. I was running around in Kuftal Tunnel. Sneak wasn't wearing off, not one message about it in my log. But suddenly a Robber crab attacked me and took off sneak himself. Robber crabs don't aggro to low HP either, so I really think it was just a monster spaz glitch.

Might have had Bind or Shadowbind used on it. I've lost sneak a few times in Kuftal Tunnel due to that. Bound creatures are effectively True Sight while under the effects of Bind.


Icemage

[samarium]

Re: Can sneak/invisible be cancelled by mobs?

Might have had Bind or Shadowbind used on it. I've lost sneak a few times in Kuftal Tunnel due to that. Bound creatures are effectively True Sight while under the effects of Bind.


Icemage

Not anymore. According to SE's update notes for Dec. 13 of 2005:

-Monsters that have been rendered immobile with the "Bind" spell will not attack anyone other than the party or alliance that it is targeting.

Linky

-sam

[Randwolf]

Re: Can sneak/invisible be cancelled by mobs?

If you had re-cast on them and they thought they had taken off the old Sneak/Invisible but had not, it might appear to them as it suddenly wore when in actuality it was the old Sneak/Invisible wearing off that had already given them the three warnings. Just a thought.

[AngryUndead]

Re: Can sneak/invisible be cancelled by mobs?

More likely explanation, they did what just about any melee does, they waited till it wore and then started crying that they didn't have it, and (naturally) in an unsafe place. My own husband did this ... and got me killed. I should have let him eat the death. To this day, he still doesn't understand why a level 60 DRK should carry his own oils/powders as long as he's got a mage nearby to cast it on him.

Squishy mage give Ugh sneak NOW!

Actually no, it took only one death in Kuftal tunnel to teach me to bring my own freaking Sneak Oil/Prism Powder, and that was back around level 50 I think. And at about the same time the WHM boards on Alla where exploding with "OMFG WHY NOT MELEE BRING OWN ITEMZZZ!!!111".

Short Answer: Items aren't free.
Long Answer: We want to be stranded and left to die to save money.

As for sneak wearing off in an odd way... never seen it happen. I guess getting caught in AoE (before the changes to that) from outside of your party or walking by TrueSight can cause it. Also the bound thing, but that was (as mentioned) fixed. I've never seen it happen any other way.

I have though, had this happen.

Squishymage casts "Sneak" on Ugh.
Ugh gains the effect of sneak.
The effect of sneak is wearing off.
The effect of sneak is wearing off.
The effect of sneak is wearing off.
Ugh looses the effect of sneak.

There was no delay. That made me feel stupid. I had to (politely) ask the mage for another. Then I just ran off and used my items.

[Icemage]

Re: Can sneak/invisible be cancelled by mobs?

I never complain about non-casters who need Sneak at the start of a zone. I always offer it as a courtesy. The only time I expect melees to use oils or powders is after they've received Sneak/Invisible and are now in the middle of a zone. This is especially true in magic aggro zones like Ro'maeve - mages can't save you there.


Icemage

[Ellipses]

Re: Can sneak/invisible be cancelled by mobs?

I have though, had this happen.

Squishymage casts "Sneak" on Ugh.
Ugh gains the effect of sneak.
The effect of sneak is wearing off.
The effect of sneak is wearing off.
The effect of sneak is wearing off.
Ugh looses the effect of sneak.

There was no delay. That made me feel stupid. I had to (politely) ask the mage for another. Then I just ran off and used my items.

I'm usually the one that feels stupid when that happens. I mean, there's nothing either person can do about it, but sheesh.

I'm a bit odd with Sneak and Invis. I want people to bring their items, and get cranky if they don't and it causes problems. But I also feel bad if they use items at the start of the zone (or the start of aggro). Especially when it's something like getting to the secret room in CN, where one Sneak is usually more than enough.

[TheGrandMom]

Re: Can sneak/invisible be cancelled by mobs?

I never complain about non-casters who need Sneak at the start of a zone. I always offer it as a courtesy. The only time I expect melees to use oils or powders is after they've received Sneak/Invisible and are now in the middle of a zone. This is especially true in magic aggro zones like Ro'maeve - mages can't save you there.


Icemage

I totally agree. I don't mind saying people a bit of gil when I can. The problem is that when you cast sneak on them at the start, they think you should cast it every time it wears off after! Now if I have only 1 or 2 people I have to do this with, I don't mind much as long as they STAY NEAR ME. But when you have 3+ hounding you for sneak and then running off when you have to re-sneak yourself, this is where the issues start. I'm a mage, a taru mage, if I get aggro its probably safe to say I die. So if a taru mage is doing you the courtesy of sneaking and/or invising your ass, STAY BY THE MAGE! Besides that, I get lost in a brown paper bag and no maps don't always help.

And if you have alchemy lvled and you come to sky without Silent Oils, I am going to disembowel you........and you KNOW who you are......*coughlsmatecough*

[Tirrock]

Re: Can sneak/invisible be cancelled by mobs?

Might have had Bind or Shadowbind used on it.

I actually forgot how long shadowbind can stay on something that's EP to the RNG. That's probably what happened to me in ro'maeve, some RNG training through and shadowbound one of them and I just happened to run past shortly afterwards. I'm glad they changed that.

[Kitalrez]

Re: Can sneak/invisible be cancelled by mobs?

Yeah, it never really ceases to amaze me how many people believe in the "/heal aggro". Somehow this even makes it onto respectable websites and their bestiaries. The vast majority of the people I have to deal with this from are usually melees who can't cast sneak or invis on themselves. I will assume they also believe in Santa Claus, the Easter Bunny, the "I'm immune to all STDs" argument, the perfect woman/man, faith healing, unicorns, military intelligence, and all such other fictional creatures/practices.

A rough list of things to remind melees about when you're sneaking them:

1. Undead aggro to any hp level below white. Yellow and Red hp = bad. The only time this does not apply is when you're sufficiently high enough above the undead as to render it Too Weak for exp.

2. Deodorize is for getting rid of a mob already aggro'd on you and safely parked somewhere out of sight/sound aggro range. It is not for that mythical "Smell aggro" mob that apparently lives at your girlfriend's house. Incidentally, the mob is perfectly capable of tracking you by scent to wherever you just cast Deodorize on yourself, so now would be a great time to start running in another direction.

3. Using the /heal command does two major things with regards to aggro. First, it effectively causes you to check as lvl 1 to any mob in the area, meaning undead who would not otherwise aggro your low hp will suddenly notice you, as well as all other aggressive monsters in the area if you're w/o sneak or invisible. Second, it flags you as the weakest element of your party. Meaning if the mob has sufficiently smacked around everyone else in the party so as to lose hate on them, you become the tastiest looking party member there.

4. Sneak does not overwrite itself, like invisible. You actually have to take this spell off for me or wait it out if you want it redone.

5. While casting a spell on you will not drop *your* invisible spell, it will invariably drop mine. Please step out of the mob of angry orcs when you request a recast.

My suspicion is that your friends forgot #4. This tends to be the most common reason I encounter for your situation. Everyone else mentioned things like lag and general game bugginess. While these have happened to me more often than I'd like as well, they're the 1% margin of error, not the 99% rule. Plan for the actual designed variables, and write off the error as something beyond your control. It'll still happen once in a blue moon, but why worry about something you can't fix?

[Fynlar]

Re: Can sneak/invisible be cancelled by mobs?

4. Sneak does not overwrite itself, like invisible. You actually have to take this spell off for me or wait it out if you want it redone.

Invis only overwrites itself when you cast it on yourself, because the act of casting a spell automatically removes your Invis only for it to get instantly reapplied.

It will not overwrite someone else's Invis if you're casting on them; they also need to have the effect removed before reapplying.