Crappiest party ever?

[Mog]

Ok, so I'm in a lvl 20 pty, along with a war, drg, brd, blm, and nin and we're hunting worms. There are many things I spotted wrong with this party and I want to ask you guys what your input is.

For one, the main tank was a galka and he was gaining way too much aggro, to the point that it would never attack the nin and drg. This would force me to cast the occasional Cure 2, mainly because the crab was attacking him faster than I could cast Cure 1. This would cause me to get hit every so often because I'm literally forced to cast cure 2 on him. While the tank is bitching that I'm not curing enough, the Brd (who claims he's a 67 whm) says only to cast Cure 2 in an "emergency".

Secondly, the party would kept moving without any warning. We didn't have a camp, and while they said that we have to keep moving in order to pull worms, I couldn't see why we couldn't stay in one specific spot and pull crabs. As a result of this, I'm constantly struggling to heal, and when they start the battles (never announced on /p), I only have about 70-90 mp at my disposal. So what's there to do? If I cast Cure 2 on the said tank, I'll run out of mp and be forced to use benediction on the party. If I cast Cure 1, the galka will die and blame his death on me.

What's the hardest to believe is that half of the party is rank 10 and nobody said a goddamn word. I spoke up several times, but they wouldn't listen at all.

[TheGrandMom]

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Well, in my opinion, at that lvl you should not have a roaming camp unless you are ALL experienced players. By experienced, I mean at least one job at lvl 65+. If even one person does not know how to cope with a roaming camp than you will have great difficulties.

As far as the tank keeping all the hate, thats his job. It's supposed to hit the tank and only the tank. It sounds like he doing a fair job. But one thing at that lvl is people freak out about curing. They are so damn afraid of dying that it can ruin a pt. You do not need to be totally full on hp all of the time but for some reason people think you should be. I hope that the brd was tossing you cures when you got hit because some brds just don't know when and how to use their mp. (I am assuming he went brd/whm!) The nin could have shared the hate though but that would mean he would have had to play the job correctly. At lvl 20 sometimes thats a bit too much to ask of some people.

You'll get used to whm so don't worry. There will always be people telling you how to play your job but you really have to learn for yourself. Of course, you take their advice into consideration but not all strategies work for all people.

[bikkebakke]

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as long as their health isnt yellow they are fine

[x1ang]

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well the running around is necessary to chain worms.. generally you switch between crabs/worms after one type is wiped and hasn't spawned yet. the MT holding enough hate for it to stay to only him is a good thing, but he shouldn't be complaining about your healing. plus, around that time ur Cure2 should be healing for about 90 and since the MT is doing such a good job of holding hate, throwing a Cure2 here and there shouldn't be that big of a problem. the BRD should have thrown an extra Cure if things got in a bit of trouble (unless you're constantly overhealing or something O_o). if the PT is pulling faster than you can heal MP, let them know.. use a MP status macro w/ <call>, or w/e works best for you ^_^;;

[Icemage]

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I think this is the first time I've ever heard anyone complain that the main tank was holding hate TOO well. And why all the Hate-arade on the Galkas? They're great tanks. Huge HP, huge VIT, easy to heal.


Icemage

[Mog]

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By the way, I forgot to mention that half of the party was level 19. That might have something to do with it.

I think this is the first time I've ever heard anyone complain that the main tank was holding hate TOO well. And why all the Hate-arade on the Galkas? They're great tanks. Huge HP, huge VIT, easy to heal.


Icemage

Hehe. Don't get me wrong. I think it's great how the main tank of our party knows how to hold hate. However, if his health gets low, it'd be nice for him to back off for a bit and have someone else provoke and divert the hate for a bit so I can heal the tank up.

[bikkebakke]

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I did the same thing today with a pt, I just cast regen at the beginning of the fight, rested for awhile, then healed a little bit and recast regen to heal for the next bout. Went great.

[silentsteel]

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Regen, the Pt lifesaver when the Whm needs mp. ^^b (not in all circumstances of course XD just going with the start of the fight.)

[Dux]

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Hi Arcadia9.

I broke it down to make it a bit clearer.

For one, the main tank was a galka and he was gaining way too much aggro, to the point that it would never attack the nin and drg.

This statement is most unusual. Was the NIN the main tank or was somebody else a tank? If the "real" tank wasn't the NIN then it should have been the NIN getting hate. If this galka wasn't NIN or PLD then something is awry. Not sure why. /shrug.

This would force me to cast the occasional Cure 2, mainly because the crab was attacking him faster than I could cast Cure 1.

This is normal.

the Brd (who claims he's a 67 whm) says only to cast Cure 2 in an "emergency".

Again, this is normal. If you can use Cure I instead then do so. It is likely that the BRD did infact have a WHM 67 and the BRDs was more experienced than you on when to use Cure I and Cure II. He was trying to tell you that the tank can take more damage than you think he can.

Secondly, the party would kept moving without any warning. We didn't have a camp, and while they said that we have to keep moving in order to pull worms, I couldn't see why we couldn't stay in one specific spot and pull crabs. As a result of this, I'm constantly struggling to heal, and when they start the battles (never announced on /p)

This is normal when fighting Worms, its tricky to get used to but stick at it.

I only have about 70-90 mp at my disposal.

Again, this is normal, roaming parties very rarely let the mages get full mana before starting again.

What's the hardest to believe is that half of the party is rank 10 and nobody said a goddamn word. I spoke up several times, but they wouldn't listen at all.

Without being there it is impossible to say what really happened, I am sure the view of the Rank 10s would be very different to yours. It seems probable that you were casting Cure II too much (every WHM does this when they are new) and your expectations of the party were shattered which unbalanced you. Your description of the worm party seems pretty normal to me except the NIN not tanking bit.

[aegina]

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I couldn't see why we couldn't stay in one specific spot and pull crabs.

you shouldn't fight crabs at level 19-20. they're level 22-ish mobs. the pt did right to stick to worms.

and once you get the regen spell at level... um, 21 i think, it gets a lot easier. just keep regen on the right people, and you don't have to cure nearly as much.

it sounded to me like a normal, roaming pt. i don't understand why the ninja wasn't tanking though.

if you are eating cookies (ginger cookies are fine, and cheap) then those roaming camps are a lot easier. in fact, eating cookies makes ALL camps a lot easier. cookies are the best white mage food, cuz cookies cause you to recover mp faster when /healing.

and when they start the battles (never announced on /p),.

this is normal on roaming camps.

and when they start the battles I only have about 70-90 mp at my disposal.

this is also normal. you can main heal a pt with only 90 mp. just rest between cures, and save the cure 2 for after the war's hp is orange. really, the only mistake the pt made was not realizing you were a little new. when i took my white mage through there, we fought worms and i had the same situation as you. we did just fine, simply because i have a little more experience, and knew what to do a little better.

remember, you don't have to heep the tank at 100%health. as long as he is in the white or the yellow, he's fine. a worm can't one-shot a galka warrior.

[JeanRC]

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let the tank die ;p this is normal too lol

[aegina]

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white mage n00b guide:

1. rest between cures. you should ALWAYS be resting. between cures, between pulls, always. there are a few specific camps where you shouldn't be resting during the fight, but those camps suck XD. yes, i said to rest during the fight. stand up, cast a regen/cure/whatever, then sit back down. this becomes much, much easier to do once you learn regen.

2. eat cookies. cookies are the best white mage food, especially at low levels. a lot of new whm's think you need more mp to be a better healer, but that's wrong. what you NEED is to get your mp back faster, which is what cookies do. especially if you are resting between cures, which seems to multiply the cookie's effect

3. don't keep the tank(s) at full health. it's a waste of mp to cure that last tiny sliver of health. as long as you keep them above 50%, and keep regen on them, theyll be fine. before regen, try to keep their hp in the yellow or white but not at 100%.

edit: against certain mobs, you will need to keep the tank's hp near 100%. certain mobs have special abilities that can deal a lot of damage in a single hit. pugils with their screwdriver ability, and goblins with their goblin rush are two examples. against these monsters, you shoult keep the tank's hp high, but not quite at 100%, so he can't be one shotted. it's rare to fight these mobs in roaming pt's though.

[Mog]

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white mage n00b guide:

1. rest between cures. you should ALWAYS be resting. between cures, between pulls, always. there are a few specific camps where you shouldn't be resting during the fight, but those camps suck XD. yes, i said to rest during the fight. stand up, cast a regen/cure/whatever, then sit back down. this becomes much, much easier to do once you learn regen.

2. eat cookies. cookies are the best white mage food, especially at low levels. a lot of new whm's think you need more mp to be a better healer, but that's wrong. what you NEED is to get your mp back faster, which is what cookies do. especially if you are resting between cures, which seems to multiply the cookie's effect

3. don't keep the tank(s) at full health. it's a waste of mp to cure that last tiny sliver of health. as long as you keep them above 50%, and keep regen on them, theyll be fine. before regen, try to keep their hp in the yellow or white but not at 100%.

Thanks for the info, guys. I am indeed a newb at this. I think once I get regen, it'll be a little easier to regulate time for healing myself.

As for the cookies, I deserve a slap to the face, because I was too lazy to look in my guide and find a description for them lol.

Before you made that third statement, I would always be healing whore and try to keep the main tank at full health. I never really thought of it like trying to keep his health above 50%. I realize that it's a waste of mp/time trying to keep him at full health. I'll try to do what you said from now on.

I guess all the main points of my question are answered. The only thing I still don't understand is why the nin waited until the war galka had a tidbit of health left to provoke. I'm no brain surgeon, but I think he should provoke earlier to not put so much pressure on me.

[Dux]

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1. rest between cures. you should ALWAYS be resting.

This game is not absolute in manner so you can not deal with it in an absolute way, thus be cautious of doing something "always". Any monster that casts Paralyse, Silence, Petrify, Slow, powerful -ga spells, or very strong WS I would not rest between cures unless absolutely necessary. This is very true if you have a NIN as tank as Silence on a NIN can be fatal and the time it takes you to get up could be too long.

[TheGrandMom]

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This game is not absolute in manner so you can not deal with it in an absolute way, thus be cautious of doing something "always". Any monster that casts Paralyse, Silence, Petrify, Slow, powerful -ga spells, or very strong WS I would not rest between cures unless absolutely necessary. This is very true if you have a NIN as tank as Silence on a NIN can be fatal and the time it takes you to get up could be too long.

Very true. Also in the higher lvls you do roaming camps. The pt kills fast and moves to another spot. Sometimes your lucky if you get one tick of mp before you have to get up. Rdms are usually used for healers in a pt like this.