Elvn whm?

[Jokerboy1]

Do elvn make good whms? I mean dont they have the highest minds.. yet lack mp?

eh im just wondering.. was was gonna start lvling whm and sub my lvl 20 smner.

so i was jsut looking for input =)

[Pai Pai Master]

Re: Elvn whm?

Correct. Elvaan have a very high MND rating, but lack MP to a serious degree. However, with the proper MP+ gear, an Elvaan can make a great White Mage.

Don't worry yourself over race and job combinations, just do what you want to have fun ^^

[Icemage]

Re: Elvn whm?

Elvaan make for OK WHMs. Low level Elvaan (pre-RSE) seem to struggle a bit with max MP pool, but decent gear and correct food use can adjust for that. High MND is an advantage for the first 30 levels or so, where your enfeebling potency is still good enough to stick Slow, Paralyze, and Silence semi-consistently.

Oh, and please, for the love of God, PLEASE do not sub SMN before you are WHM50/SMN25. 30-60MP(if you're using a Magician's Earring) is not worth it. Eat a pie or buy some gear if you want more MP.


Icemage

[Acidic]

Re: Elvn whm?

Correct. Elvaan have a very high MND rating, but lack MP to a serious degree. However, with the proper MP+ gear, an Elvaan can make a great White Mage.

Don't worry yourself over race and job combinations, just do what you want to have fun ^^

QFE

[Taskmage]

Re: Elvn whm?

Eat pumpkin pie or rolanberry pie and get all the gear you can reasonably afford to boost your max mp.

As a taru whm I prioritize gear that increases my sitting mp regen over gear that increases max mp. I'm not sure if the same strategy should apply to a whm that doesn't necessarily have the mp pool to get through a whole fight without sitting. I would say boost your max mp as much as you can or until you have enough to last until the danger is over and then spend the rest of your slots on items with the MP Regeneration While Healing mod.

[truenoir]

Re: Elvn whm?

Elvaan *can* make good WHMs, but they are at a natural disadvantage really. MND is highly overrated for WHM, especially once you get to the levels where you can get Cure% gear.

I wouldn't underestimate /BLM either though. While /SMN is probably least problematic for a WHM to use, you still do lose some very good bonuses from /BLM.

[silentsteel]

Re: Elvn whm?

some bonuses that I wish would have shown up sooner than lvl 40 lol

[Zempten]

Re: Elvn whm?

I'm a elvaan and I have a WHM at 38

I agree that to WHMs MP is more valuable then MND, unless there is a reason to enfeeble post 30.

However I have not had problems with my MP. The key for a Elvaan WHM is MP conservation AND timing. It's a fact that out MP pool is not a match for other race's MP pool (besides Galka). However this disadvantage becomes less and less evident as you raise in level and more MP gear/spells become avalaibe to you. As noted above, various pies are useful in making up for the lack of MP. Use various pies for various PTs. Sometimes you may find pure MP to better and sometimes +MP while healing and othertimes a combination of both.

Just like all other WHMs we have to be wary of not overcuring,but our extra HP allows for small errors (don't make it a habit)

As for the topic of SJ, I find /SMN and /BLM useful in their own aspect.

/SMN to a certain level will net you MAINLY extra MP and later AA, however I've never used it so cannot fully comment on it
*Personally I used /SMN until 34*
/BLM to a certain level will net you MAINLY Conserve MP and Aspir + ES (It's practically useless without ES) later on your may find Escape useful to you if no one else has it
*Warp is a luxury*

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Oh, and please, for the love of God, PLEASE do not sub SMN before you are WHM50/SMN25. 30-60MP(if you're using a Magician's Earring) is not worth it. Eat a pie or buy some gear if you want more MP.

I'm not sure why he would say not to use SMN SJ until 50 WHM. Max MP up for a 20 WHM/10 SMN (especially a Elvaan) helps in it's own way and since elvaan are already at a disadvantage of a low MP pool I like trying to get as much MP as I can to make up. Also upon obtaining 30 WHM/15 SMN you can use the Magician's Earring for the extra MP for a total of Max MP Up JT, Magician's Earring, Pie (various ones as needed). However at 40 WHM/20 BLM is when Conserve MP kicks in. I suppose you could switch back to SMN at 50 WHM / 25 SMN for the complete total of Max MP Up JT, Magician's Earring, Pie, and Auto Refresh. However I'm still lost as to why your suggesting not to use SMN SJ until 50 WHM

[tdh]

Re: Elvn whm?

I started as an Elvaan RDM. So I had to learn right off the bat how to conserve my MP and put it to maximum use. So when I play WHM it's no problem.

My level buddy for almost all the jobs in my signature is Elvaan. He originally wanted to be a PLD75 and problems in getting parties in the 50's, and me out of the game for nearly a year forced him into WHM. Now he's WHM65+ and loves it.

I truly believe his working as a PLD, using his MP to the best of his ability really helped him with leveling WHM. (I'm sure the high Divine Magic and Healing Magic helped!) But it's the lower levels that really pose a problem for Elvaan Mages. You don't have much MP at all, and pies can get expensive. I don't even remember what level I was as RDM before I finally broke the 200MP mark! lol

But I've partied with a number very good Elvaan WHMs. They are the minority, but I have found a few.

[Acidic]

Re: Elvn whm?

Skill > Race. I'm sure that's popped up a few times in this thread, but I played a Elvaan WHM to 30 in a week (No sleep, Lol) and really no matter what race you are you generally get invitations as soon as you enter a zone, well, unless there is a 'WHM Overpopulation' on your server, but that pretty rare, nothing I've really encountered before.

[Yossar]

Re: Elvn whm?

I've never had a problem. Just grab some Mushroom Stew and have fun. As for subs, I switched to /SMN at 50, but will probably take BLM to 37 as an alternative, too. Honestly, Conserver MP is really the only advantage I can see to BLM. Warp is a luxury and odds are you'll be in a party with a BLM or RDM/BLM that would have Escape. Not like you'll be nuking or anything.

[Icemage]

Re: Elvn whm?

/SMN gives nothing but additional max MP until 50/25. Zero useful traits. Zero useful abilities (unless you want to call that short-lived shell/protect that Carbuncle gives "useful"). This amounts to roughly 35MP over /BLM at level 20/10, and bumps to about 75-80MP IF you buy a Magician's Earring (45-50 otherwise) at level 30/15. This seems like a lot of MP until you realize that you get Conserve MP as a job trait from /BLM at level 40, not to mention Elemental Seal to force a stick on Silence or Bind in an emergency at 30.

Max MP is nice, but there are many, many, many other ways to get it. There's a lot of food that provides a hefty +MP boost, but really, spending the money on +MP gear is the way to go. There's quite a large amount of it out there these days, and also a ton of +MP recovered while healing items available at low levels which tends to mitigate the effect of larger MP pools (Baron's Slops, that new +2 hMP wand, plus lots of +hMP foods like Ginger Cookies and Chocomilk).

A bigger MP tank just means you can go longer before you have to rest but it doesn't make your spellcasting efficient or make you recover MP any faster than someone with less capacity (just ask any tarutaru). As long as your casting style and MP conservation skills are good enough to get you through XP chain 5, anything above that is wasted.


Icemage

[Yossar]

Re: Elvn whm?

Ah yes. I forgot about Elemental Seal. And yeah, +hMP is huge. I my Dark Staff and Mushroom Stew.

[Jokerboy1]

Re: Elvn whm?

well my char got deleted.. because my brother thought it would be funny... =(

so yea.. now i started over with hume whm and planning to go to smner

[kuu]

Re: Elvn whm?

I don't remember MND making much difference in whms. We almost always use lower level cure spells, Perhaps CureV, though I never really bother with caring at that level anyway, with high healing skills and a light staff.

And since the introduction of elemental staves, if you're not sticking a debuff with the stave, you're not going to.

MP is somewhat a factor. Whms live off "constant" flow of mp rather then max mp. As in xp pt, a whm should never have full MP nor have no MP, so to say. You live in the middle.

Don't think about smn subs too much...they are good here and there, but for most xp pts, not having sleep, sleepga escape, and to a lesser extend warp, will ultimatelly doom you if you don't have it on hand. Conserve MP of blm subs will more or less equalize refresh anyway.

Elemental Seal alone is way more useful then most people give credit for...