Motivation past 72?

[Rones]

Right now I'm about 5k from 72 and I noticed something. Where is the motivaition for whms to lvl past 72? At 72 we get our top gear: errant, have all our spells except for reraise 3, have all the abilities from main and sub, melee about the best we can (assuming you have even capped your combat skills), our heals aren't getting noticibley stronger (my healing is still 30-40 from cap and not going to becoming noticible stronger from 3 more lvls). We can't wear all the relic gear for whms as 72, but that isn't really a problem since this gear just never drops during dynamsis runs and if it does there's 6-7 other whms after it as well (did however get 4 dragon pieces to drop in the last run).

Are merit points and the few extra mp really worth earning 120k+ more exp to get from 72 to 75 with no new gear and only one new spell that won't really matter? Reraise 3 seems like a slap in the face honestly. You just earned 120k+ exp just so you can reraise 3 instead of 2? With 120k+ exp buffer from lvl 72 you might as well just reraise 2 since the exp difference between the 2 spells isn't really going to matter at that point.

Is there anything to motivate us to exp past lvl 72? :confused:

[Leon]

Trust me, reraiseIII should motivate you enough to get to 75 and get a decent buffer :sweat:
I die a lot from my low hp (too much cursed w) on HNMs and RR3 helps a ton :sweat:

Plus you get somewhat more hp and mp from the extra 3 lvls which no whm would mind >.>

I'm a MP over MND whm so i would say yes to MP merits but for some reason i have not bothered with merits at all (i just leave merits on and every month i gain 1 merit or so from 10-15 xp stuff XD

imo getting to 75 is a must, the merits system its up to you but im not really that much bothered with it.

[Rones]

Yet I still don't see the point of reraise 3. My reraise is used primarily while exping, so if I'm done exping then its not used there. As for dynamsis and such, even with a couple deaths per run the exp loss difference between the two reraises would take a long while to become a signifigant matter.

Whole purpose of the higher reraises is to protect your exp from being lost which protects you from losing lvls (which is all that really matters). But with 120k+ exp buffer for going from 72 to 75 the extra protection from reraise 3 vs reraise 2 becomes rather insginifigant.

Plus you get somewhat more hp and mp from the extra 3 lvls which no whm would mind >.>

Only time the extra mp seems really important is while exping (not too important even then). If I'm done exping then the extra 20-25 mp doesn't seem to matter. Even then, the race I choose is going to make a much larger difference than those last 3 lvls worth of mp. If a 75 elvaan whm gets by fine with less mp than me at 72.... :sweat:

imo getting to 75 is a must, the merits system its up to you but im not really that much bothered with it.

Merits is about the only reason I see to go up to 75 simply becaues I can carry the stats bonuses over to other jobs. Yet 120k exp put into whm just to reach the merit system could get another job into the 30s (or around that). Looks like I would be better off just lvling the other job than trying to get merit points for the other job first.

[Tifa]

Trust me man, RR3 is something you want, badly. Once you reach 75 there's no direction to go except backwards. RR3 will minimize the time you need to go back out and do the exp grind again.

Over the last 7 days I lost between 5-6k Exp doing things like dynamis, sky nm's, etc. 260exp loss vs. ~600 will add up very quickly for you.

I say just trust what people have said here. Once you get into a HNM LS or an endgame LS of sorts, you will understand what we are talking about (I assume you're not in a linkshell like that, since you said you don't die outside of exp parties)

[sylvanas]

Originally posted by Rones
If a 75 elvaan whm gets by fine with less mp than me at 72.... :sweat:

whats your mp at 72? :confused:

any whm past 70 is useful for hnming. its to your own benefit to level higher but if you dont feel like it, doesnt really matter.

[Rones]

I think you missed my point about reraise 3. You just earned 120k+ exp (72 to 75) so you can get reraise 3 and not have to exp grind again if you die. Well with 120k+ exp buffer and reraise 2 it wouldn't really be an issue even without reraise 3.

I did join a dynamis ls recently and have gone on one run. Only had one death during it from a wipe out. The ls had about 6-7 other whms (a few 75) already going along and some of them had done 10+ runs and still haven't seen a single whm piece drop. So I'm not even sure if I will continue with that. During the run I never dipped more than 300 from max mp except from the wipe out where it didn't really matter (nasty train). During the whole thing, I didn't see any difference in my performance from the lvl 75s other than my lack of errant gear (which I really want).

any whm past 70 is useful for hnming. its to your own benefit to level higher but if you dont feel like it, doesnt really matter.

See, that's my problem. I don't see the benefit of earning 120k+ exp. That's 40 hours of exping with an average of 3k an hour (balance of bad and good parties). Given the average party life spawn of 3-4 hours, that's 13-14 xp parties. And after doing all that, I don't see the benefit. Whms aren't like melees, there' s a huge difference between a 75 drk and 72 drk when fighting IT. For a whm, cures work all the same.

Is there anything beyond mp and reraise 3 that awaits compliation at 75? If mp is all that you get I might as well spend my time farming/gil grinding and get a serket ring (+50mp) or vermillion cloak, would take less time and help mp about the same.

[Arturo-B]

For me it was the following:

1)Reraise 3
This was the biggest. I die so much it's not even funny. Death is a natural factor of endgame. Our ls doesn't have 7-8 whm, so if I die on a god, I need to reraise myself. These deaths add up pretty fast. When everyone else loses 240, and you lose 600, it starts to grate pretty quick. On a good week I might only die once or twice. On a bad week it can be 5-10 times easy.

2)Cursed gear
Can't wear until 73, and several of the pieces are the best whm armor around, at least in my opinion. The headpiece and the pants are awesome, particularly for a hume.

3)God gear
Genbu's shield is 74. It's an awesome shield, and it'd sure be nice to replace this holy shield I've had for 8 months.

4)More mp, more magical def.
Higher levels means more mp. I paid 1.5mil for a serket for 25 mp vs astral. It's worth the time to level 3 levels for a similar amount. Also the higher the level the more survivable I am. It might be incremental, but it's sure nice.

[Rones]

1)Reraise 3
This was the biggest. I die so much it's not even funny. Death is a natural factor of endgame. Our ls doesn't have 7-8 whm, so if I die on a god, I need to reraise myself. These deaths add up pretty fast. When everyone else loses 240, and you lose 600, it starts to grate pretty quick. On a good week I might only die once or twice. On a bad week it can be 5-10 times easy.

So you have 120k+ exp buffer before you risk losing your errant gear. Going off the numbers you gave 120,000buffer/600exp loss with reraise 2 = 200 deaths before you lose lvl 72 and errant gear. At the worst rate of deaths you mentioned it would take 20 weeks to lose errant gear and lvl 72. At the better rate of only 2 deaths per week 200 deaths last you 100 weeks which is a just short of a couple years. :sweat: I feel a lot closer to 2 deaths per week than 10 and not sure if I'll still be playing this game 2 years from now. With reraise 3 its 120,000/240 = 500 deaths to lose lvl 72 (but you would lose reraise 3 part way through so my other calculations don't work).

[SephirothYuyX]

Your just thinking to hard..

If you wanna stop stop..

If you want to continue.. continue then, people have gievn you reason, now find your own.

Or just take a break and lvl sumin else or play another game till you have that crave to lvl WHM.

[Rones]

It just feels odd because my desire for lvling whm has always been to get that next spell or that next piece of armor. That's what motivated me all the way until 72. Now I don't see that any farther except for dynamsis gear which isn't looking too hopefuly atm. :sweat:

If reraise 3 is the only reason I guess I will be stopping at 72. I also really didn't mean to come across as disagreeing, I'm just rather annoyed that they decide to give us reraise 3 at the end of the whm path instead of on the way up.

[Gryff]

72 errant
73 zenith
74 utsusemi ni ( you can solo any future AF etc with this pretty much )
75 rr3

[Manatra]

Honestly, for me, past 70 has really been a struggle. I don't know, the funny thing is I have AF2 (cleric's pants), a few pieces of zenith, I don't know, the motivation just really isn't there.

I only have a few hours each night and I usually spend it just camping triggers in Tu'Lia, Dynamis, or camping Fafnir... I find it more fun to just play with my friends than go back to the exp grind if you know what I mean?

Honestly, outside of equipment, there really isn't that much of a motivation past 70, and if you don't care about equipment all that much then well.. yeah.

[Dux]

Hmm

I too am looking for reasons to play past level 70 and I am not very impressed with what I hear is available. I must be in a small minority of player on FFXI who doesn't like camping HNM.

Dynamis sounds interesting but I have timezone issues for Dynamis. So apart from dynamis is there anything else to do (I don't camp, its too boring).

[Dux]

Hmm

I too am looking for reasons to play past level 70 and I am not very impressed with what I hear is available. I must be in a small minority of player on FFXI who doesn't like camping HNM.

Dynamis sounds interesting but I have timezone issues for Dynamis. So apart from dynamis is there anything else to do (I don't camp, its too boring).

[Nixles]

I think Re-raise III should be reason enough...
I died 4 times this week (Dynamis Bastok, Davoi Coffer Hunt, and... Guivre...) and got raise II (my re-raise) every time. No fun.