WHM's are treated too badly!

[poweryoga]

treated badly?

I think we tolerate whms too much. Bad whms that don't don't heal status ailments, cure too little/too much, absolute crap equipment, stupid snob attitude AND the stupid shit that "You're not a whm shut up and don't tell me what to do" stupid crap.... and yet people stilll bend over backwards to keep them in the party.

This is the reason why so many idiot whms get up to lvl 50+. Thank god after lvl 55 rdm/brd combo becomes a valid option so I don't have to party with some of those wankers.

Don't get me wrong, there's a lot of whms that know their job and I respect that. There's also a ton of tards that just refuse to listen or learn.

[Dux]

I am not sure WHM's really are treated that badly. Generally speaking I find that the WHM's out there are tolerated to breaking point and only as a last resort do people boot a WHM.

If you consistantly getting abuse for being a "bad WHM" you are probably doing something wrong. Don't get all upset and storm off because you know you can get another group in about 30 seconds because you won't understand WHY you are doing something wrong. All you are doing is moving the YOUR problem from one group to another until you find a group that can work around your bad playing.

This forum has lots of high level WHMs who post here. I am level 63 and whilst I am no angel as a WHM I can at least spot when I/somebody else is doing something wrong. Place a post on the discussion board asking for advice in a particular scenario where you are having problems and we can help you out.

[efDisk]

There is a difference between a bad WHM and a bad call.

We've all made them. Ever decided to cast Regen, and then watched someone die because you should have done a Cure? It happens.

I don't really mind someone telling me about a status Ailment. I don't like being told when to cure, but hey, when we're talking Poisonga, and it hit 4 out 5? If I miss, I don't mind being told. I think Poison is also something neglible to certain people. In my 40s, when the galka got regular poison, I really didn't worry about. When it's one of the nastier 5hp/tick versions, I hit it much faster.

Characters die. We make mistakes. 1 mistake in an hour of leveling is BOUND to happen. It just sucks when it costs someone xp. And it's up to the entire party to find out the reason and correct it. If it's the WHM isn't paying attention, kick him. If it's because the Ranger or Thief keeps doing massive damage, and not concerning himself with aggro? Casting spells takes time they didn't have. You can blame the WHM if you like...

We established it in another thread. You know you are a good WHM, when no one says anything about what you are doing. Melees don't recognize what's keeping them up. They see chains and downtime. A great puller recognizes when to pull based on your mana, and a perfect puller knows it exactly.

[greysenn]

Have to agree with poweryoga on this one.

I really respect & am somewhat in awe of good white mages who do their job gracefully. I'll do more than go out on a limb to help these people.

On the other hand, I come down extremely hard on the arrogent jackholes who don't know what they're doing. (But think they do, and won't listen to anything.) Fortunately its pretty rare that I come across an actual "bad" whm.

[Rogan]

well IMO a whm is only treated badly if he/she does his/her job badly, and see some whms, quite a few I have pted with, think that they should be treated royally no matter how they do their job bcuz this was a low lvled party and whms are hard to replace around that time (in my server anyways), but as long as you treat the party right and do your job decently I will have no prob with you being in my pt

[George]

If your good at your job, your generally not treated badly because of your playing. I consider myself quite good at my job. I wear lvl1 taru gear atm, and have a lvl5 blm sub, and i can perform just as well, if not better than any other whm (maybe alittle bit more downtime against fully quiped taru's ). The things that bother me, is either someone telling me to do my job when im already doing it perfectly fine/and theyre blatently wrong, and the constant messages from the melee about their status effects. Maybe this doesnt bother other mages, but it bothers me. Ive grown accustomed to knowing what status effects are on my party members, and curing them in a timely manner. Maybe its just me, but i think every whm should be able to do this without assistance. So it really bothers me, when i get constant messages "zzzzz" "sleep" "poison" etc... especially when i just got a bunch of spam telling me everyones asleep and when they send these "helpful" messages after ive cured them. I dont mind the first time it happens, i just let them know, very politely, that i can keep them healthy without their while good intentioned, annoying help (i dont say that). It really bothers me, when after ive said this, and they should cleary be able to see im perfectly capable of taking care of the party without help, they continue to send messages. Ive grown accustomed to turning off party chat when partying with random party's. Yes we make mistakes, and yes i sometimes do miss things, but for the most part, i keep everyone alive and in good health, sometimes at the sacrifice of my own. All i ask, is to not be told what i already know.

[Zaleshea]

Well, I've been through the whm job two times. Currently this is my third. First time, I got to 30, second time I got to 22. The only complaint I ever got was actually an insult by the entire party. I was made fun of for having "out dated" equipment + my +2 MND wind and my +2 MND(x2) rings. Sorry, I didnt know I had to spend 10k+ on a cotton double set, when I was saving for the 3k it would have took to make the whole thing myself. Give WHM crafters time people. Anyhow because I had felt extremely bad, I felt I could not function as a healer in that party and left. I recieved nothing but tells from them asking me to come back. I ignored them. Sometimes leaving a party is justified, if I would have stayed, I would have purposely let up on my curing to get them killed. . It was the FIRST time I ever left a party prematurally.

When I keep you alive. When I manage my MP to where chains 2 and 3 possibly 4 is possible. When I'm quiet and let everyone do thier thing, aka ~ Not being a bitch WHM. You really should have 'nothing' to say to me. All I require is that a melee vokes, and the BLM does not start 'mage tanking'(I hate that). I could careless about thier equip, I'm poor too. If the pt overall sucks cause of bad equips oh well. Chain T's, no biggy.

And I went RDM from that point, leveled it to 29, never to touch WHM again. Til the addiction once again came over me. WHMing for the 3rd time.

Melees will try to push a whm around to see if they will explode, so that the melee can unload on them saying all kinds of things like "you arent special cause you're a whm etc" or some crap. WHM does not always get a pt in 30 seconds. And a whm HATE joining "new" parties, cause of that "could be a bad pt" factor. Especially ones that have just started. They prefer to stay in the same party for as long as it lasts. This applies only to good ones of course.

Many whms turn asshat because of prolonged mistreatment and "usage". I've met some who quit cause they got tired of all the countless tells. And people in thier LS's bugging them to start a pt with them, JUST BECAUSE YOU are a WHM. When any other time they pay you no mind. WHM is an easy job I guess? But my god, mentally it is HELL. You non whms have no clue of how much stress can build up in this job when someone rubs you the wrong way.

Sorry to say and disappoint any new whms here, but yes you have to have ESP lol. It's easy though, just know what to look for. For example its easy to tell who a Damsel Fly inflicts with Poison from its poison attack. Just look in the direction the spray radious goes and look at who took the most damage. This is the one you use poisona on. Mastering this, you should be able to fire it off in .5 seconds. (Well not really).

I do appreciate it that I am told what you are hit with WHEN you are hit with it though. If you're hit with a blind attack, do say (Blind). Here comes Blindna as fast as the cure I just sent ya. Healing is just 66.666666% of the job. If you dont EVER do status cures, you're a bad mage in my opinion. Soon with pratice I'll be able to cure all status affects without prior notice from the victim.

[Wings of Icarus]

I've seen too many bad WHM at higher levels, so I don't really care for them, anymore. It takes less work for a whm to survive the 1-75 trip than say a DRK or DRG...

If you're a good WHM who isn't full of yourself, then I'll admit it. It's a very very rare sight though.

I mean, why should I care for whm when they can get away with so much slack in the game, and as a former DRK, I am not allowed any slack, or else I seek for days on end?

So, tell me which is better?

A WHM that busts his arse to get to lvl 10 - then has a 65 lvl free trip....

or a DRK that has it easy for 40 levels, then is screwed for 35 ?

[lionx]

I aint sure, for me, if i dont have at least standard equips...i feel pretty bad...i aint sure, i did go with crappy equips til lvl 30(i NEVER EVER go behind important piority spells however). But as of right now....i feel like i aint putting it all and i feel bad, so i am revamping every single part of my gear that needs a change before i lvl any more...

But i noticed as a WHM, it feels ppl are pushy, but theres a reason, when lvling subs and etc, there are horrible WHMs, hence why some do that..i dont blame em too much sometimes...>.>

And dont care for a WHM that doesnt do their job right..><; They bring everyone down..hard.

[dirtyclown]

L O freaking L. this is hilarious. before i say anything else, let me say that i love white mages when they do their job. there's no better backline buddy to have than a competent white mage.

the problem people have is that alot of white mages don't do their job. they think that all they have to do is sit back and heal and cast some buffs every once in awhile. when a monster uses a poison attack you should be paying attention to what's going on rather than sitting there, causing the tank or whoever got hit with poison to ask for poisona. my general rule with poison using monsters is to pay attention to what the attack animation looks like and keep an eye on the monster. it's so easy, and it makes us RDM/WHMs happy because that's one less spell to cast.

secondly, melees and tanks shouldn't have to ask for ANYTHING. if a melee is asking you for poisona or paralyna, pay more attention to what's happening around you, don't just look at the hp/mp bars. another nifty trick is to recolor the text of status effects. maybe blood red so you can't miss it.

Melees will try to push a whm around to see if they will explode

i like to call it "tough love". if you're screwing up people are going to tell you. why should your party members just let it go? it only helps you to be a better mage if you listen to what they're saying. and if you were ever in a party with me and you were screwing up real bad (not paying attention to the logs, not casting paralyna, blindna, poisona, etc. when needed) i'd let you know in tell to watch for those status attacks. because if you don't cast the appropriate status cure, guess who has to pick up the slack? you folks don't get treated badly at all if you do your job the way you should. and like i said earlier, there is no better backline buddy than a white mage that knows what they're doing.

one thing i almost forgot to add is the attitude. white mages are an integral part of parties early on and they all know it. they can make or break a potentially great party with just a few words. sadly, they are aware of this and some seem to excercise this unique ability and exploit the ignorance of some people by leaving the party "oh no we don't have a white mage, we're screwed!". thankfully all or most of the really good white mages aren't like this at all. i don't think i'd want a tiny egomaniac in my party anyway. this is another reason why some people just don't like white mages, some of them think their presence in a party is a blessing for everyone and the world would stop spinning if they weren't on it.


like my essay? try not to take it too personally if you're good at what you do. good white mages are hard to find and all the half assed people seem to choose this class because it's easy to get to 30 regardless of how badly they might perform, which gives the rest a bad reputation.

[DevineLight]

WHM will not be treated badly if they do their job right. It can get a little stressful sumtimes but it comes with the job, if you cant handle it go try another job. I agree when people say whm's arer given to much freedom. When I level my sub i notice how much power they think they have. But, whats a whm without a tank? Sure, we cure them and support the party, but the party also supports us. If they dont tank we will die. I hate it when people stereotype WHM's though and say that they are all out for themselves. I am not saying everyone does but for those who do it is not fair to the rest of us. I am never the first to leave the pt when i am xping. Unless it is really late and I am tired and have to go to bed. When people ask request i do not get mad at all. Its my job as a support class to SUPPORT the pt any way i can. Status effects can be a pain but hey, sumones got to do it. Its a WHM's respocibility to make the pt go as smooth as possible. And hey, people die. It's part of the game. It may or may not be your fault but if it is step up and accept it. Its ok, people make mistakes it happens. What i do not appreciate is, when we are fighting a mob and i have the tank's hp in white and then the mob uses an attack like jet stream for 800 damage and kills him. Then they say if only their hp was completely full they could have survived the attack and blame you. Im sorry i had your hp at 90% how was i suppose to know an attack like that was comming up? It isnt my fault as a WHM. Just do your job right and no one will complain.

[Zaleshea]

one thing i almost forgot to add is the attitude. white mages are an integral part of parties early on and they all know it. they can make or break a potentially great party with just a few words. sadly, they are aware of this and some seem to excercise this unique ability and exploit the ignorance of some people by leaving the party "oh no we don't have a white mage, we're screwed!". thankfully all or most of the really good white mages aren't like this at all. i don't think i'd want a tiny egomaniac in my party anyway. this is another reason why some people just don't like white mages, some of them think their presence in a party is a blessing for everyone and the world would stop spinning if they weren't on it.

Those kinds of whms fall victim to RDM41 arrogance. I assume they do not even get past hmmm 25 XD, and level something else. Cause they fear they will not abuse this 'unique ability' anymore after 41.

like my essay?

Yes. I hate 30.. I hate 30..I hate 30. I DREAM to GET past 30.

[BRIANNON]

everyone here has valid complaints but also try to remember that sometimes it's not just the WHM's fault the party tanks unforgivably. Some of are new to the game and still trying to learn the ropes. Personally,I get really nervous when I party with people I don't know but I need to lvl so I try. I am not too proud however to admit that I may need help depending on the size of the party.

Just today I accepted an invite to a party out in Selbina for the dunes with a bunch of lvl 14-15's working on what I can only assume was their subs. When I recieved the invite there were only three of us in the party and I advised the leader that I was new to the game multiple times, to which she replied was fine. As I waited for the rest of the party I continued to see players being added to the party, so I asked the leader if there would be back up healer to help out with the now 4 warriors and me. She said that she only needed one healer so I tried again to tell her that I was new and needed back up, she says something bout a RDM and I see a player with mp pop up. Now seeing that they were in the highlands I couldn't exactly check but figured that for a change my luck was good and I would get xp. Unfortunately for me I get there just as they start to look for crabs (above their lvl) and have enough time to cast protect on the party. They pull and I find out the other mage is a BLM who can't heal and is pulling as much aggro as the melee and the tank. I tell them they need to back off I can't heal them at the same rate they are losing hp and they pull again. Now I have macro for cure and have had many of the guys in my LS tell me not to macro cure II since it pulls more aggro but I ended up casting cure II over cure on the warriors AND the BLM. After the third member of the party died while I was trying to cure, I got lengthy tells telling me to go F*$@! myself and that I was a bad WHM. I'm sorry but that is just not cool and as a new WHM it is really discouraging! I don't condone having a bad attitude just because of you job but people could try to be a little nicer! It's really easy and it won't hurt I promise.

[Icemage]

There will always be rude, inexperienced, and incompetent players. Don't take the criticism too much to heart, just do your best and try to stay alive through those early levels. Learn about your capabilities, learn what other jobs at your level can reasonably do, and learn to gauge how a party is doing overall.

3 deaths in a party is bad news. It means the party (not just you) were taking on things far too difficult for your capabilities. For that matter, if they were taking more damage than you could heal, that should have been your first warning sign. The only thing you can reasonably do at that point is apologize and disband from the party.

Hang in there! Players get smarter, parties get better, and attitudes do tend to improve at higher levels.


Icemage

[dirtyclown]

After the third member of the party died while I was trying to cure, I got lengthy tells telling me to go F*$@! myself and that I was a bad WHM

people like that are usually weeded out before they have a chance to really be a bother. i play on Leviathan as well, so if you need tips or anything send Lenee a tell. oh, and if you can remember the names of some of these people let me know and i'll be sure to add them to my list of people that don't deserve help.