Advice: Erase

[obsidian]

Originally posted by Mullenkamp
*sniff sniff* You guys smell something? Cow? Horse? Dog? ......Elephant? Phew! Stinky.
:sweat:

More like bull.

[riceburner4540]

i've seen 2 erase scrolls drop after winning bcnm40...done it successfully 5 times out of...maybe 8 tries. took two tries to perfect the strategy and afterwards we didn't lose except this one time when the black mandragora got off flood...i won the lot for erase and now my white mage has it ^_^;;. getting erase 6 out of 7 times is pretty impressive...or total bull. an LS member of mine did say she got 4 to drop out of 7 wins though, so maybe...?

[Reaperx90]

Why erase is useful: IT REMOVES THE 'SLOW' EFFECT.

And yes, Haste does about the same thing for what, 1/100th the gil? But wouldn't you rather erase the slow and THEN haste the guy?

I was a DRG in a JP party (somehow) and I got slowed...then the WHM casted erase on me. I've never loved a spell more in my life.

[Reaperx90]

Accursed double post...Sorry about that -_-;

[Arturo-B]

Originally posted by Reaperx90
Why erase is useful: IT REMOVES THE 'SLOW' EFFECT.

And yes, Haste does about the same thing for what, 1/100th the gil? But wouldn't you rather erase the slow and THEN haste the guy?

I was a DRG in a JP party (somehow) and I got slowed...then the WHM casted erase on me. I've never loved a spell more in my life.

One thing to note is that some mob slow effects cannot be removed by haste. Spider slow is one of them. However, they spam it so often that erase often isn't even worth it.

[riceburner4540]

And yes, Haste does about the same thing for what, 1/100th the gil? But wouldn't you rather erase the slow and THEN haste the guy?

excluding spider slow, why would you erase first before using haste? haste overrides slow...so the slow effect disappears and you receive the haste effect instead. casting erase to get rid of slow if you're gonna haste anyway is kinda redundant isn't it? its only useful vs spiders, but as it was stated, they tend to use it a lot. you'll be spending just as much time erasing as you are healing.

[Icemage]

Pretty much the only times I've ever wished I had Erase were when a monster casts DiagaI/II or drops Bio III on someone. Mostly an issue when you have a mage who can't cast Stoneskin (i.e. BLM/SMN), since Stoneskin will let you rest even with damage-over-time effects on you.

Bio III is more annoying - it drops melee damage output drastically, so I *may* in fact buy Erase at some point... but only after I get more important things like elemental staves.


Icemage

[cccpthrillhouse]

I have erase, and it is a complete luxury spell so far at lvl 54. Mp cost 18 btw, so at least the mp cost is cheap. Let's see, I use it for:
Beetle's Evasion down - and 2 seconds later beetle does it again. damn. Their spoil - str down effect i remove off non-tanking melee.
Spiders spam slow too much to remove, same with crab's str down.
So, have never really used it consistently in an exp party because the mobs spam the effects too often.
dia2, bio 2, and rasp-type effects from beastmen casters get erased in most situations. Crawler Hunters' bind can last ages. Max HP down and Max MP down moves can be removed by cursna, but i believe cursna is around 40mp, so erase is cheaper here.
So, overall, at level 54 the best reason to have erase is for your reputation and your pride^^. Granted I haven't fought every type of mob up to my level. I suspect there will be more uses for it at higher levels, or maybe just the same effects will be stronger and thus worth removing. Hopefully someone on the forum can elaborate.
100% get dark staff before erase, especially since prices are going down on many servers due to gardeners growing the materials needed with tree saplings now. Getting to the point where I consider a whm 55+ without a dark staff gimped, they help so much.

[Tulerin]

Ive grouped w/ a few whm's who dont have erase and it really isnt that big of deal. Sure its nice to have, but the world isnt coming to and end if you dont have it.

Slow? Haste overwrites slow, melee get it anyways. If a caster is bitching about slow, smack em.

Evasion Down? Pffht, unless your main tank is a nin w/ full agil and evasion gear, evasion down will NOT make that much of a difference when going against IT's. Even IF it does, it will not be till at least 60+ because I have yet to see it make that much of a difference yet. And how many times do you fight beetles past 50 again?

Crab's str down? It will not make your tanks hit for 0. If anything its a minor difference.

The rest cccpthrillhouse has right. Dia, bio, bind, etc can be a pain. ....but to be honest, you will not be fighting many caster mobs in exp groups till 60+.

So really, 60+ is when you should start worrying about Erase. Until then, if anyone in your groups start saying bad things about how you do not have erase, just smack em.

[AnubisBlue]

Originally posted by Mullenkamp


You did BCNM40 7 times and got 6 Erase scrolls? Beats my record of 5 wins 1 loss and 0 scrolls.

*sniff sniff* You guys smell something? Cow? Horse? Dog? ......Elephant? Phew! Stinky.
:sweat:

I've done BCNM 4 times and had Erase drop 3 times, Utsusemi:Ni 2 times, and Phalanx once. That was just me. The other 5 BSTs also found scrolls.

I don't see anything wrong with his story. You just had shitty luck.