Do you feel guilt on PT member death(s)?

[Coinspinner]

Do you feel guilt on PT member death(s)?

Only if it's my fault. It's usually not.

[CoalChamber]

When i join a PT I feel a certain responsability to keep them alive. That's what they invited me for. Even if I'm not a WHM.I've sacrificed myself over and over again to save my PTs. I remember in Qufim once we got nabbed by a Wight or something and the WHM had to use benediction as we all ran to the zone. I realized if I didn't do something we would all die. So I hit my provoke macro (I'm a DRG/WAR) and told them to run. Luckily I was able to provoke off of Benediction, a rare thing. I've only been able to do it about 3 times. And I fought that damn wight to the death, well, my death at least. I didn't even really dent the Wight;s HP. =P But it gave my PT the time they needed to get away. Even though I'm not a WHM I always feel kinda guilty when a PT member dies.

[Quezi]

For the 6 years i have been playing mmorpgs, almost all of that time i have been the healer, the 20% or so that i am not, i am usualy a pure support class, buffing/debuffing/crowd controll type things. I consider myself a healer.

What usualy bothers me with people in general, is they tend to give healers alot more room to mess up in. Most everyone else will get a hard time if they mess up, but a healer can verry frequently get away with being a clueless idiot. People just dont care becaus you NEED a healer, and due to the fact that healers are nowhere near the most flashy or exiteing role they are far more rare, hence people are happy just to HAVE one so they can go get some exp, as bad exp with idiots is sadley better than no exp at all.

Now when i say idiot, do not confuse that with a newbie. A newbie is someone who knows that they dont know what they are doing, an idiot is someone who lacks the common sense to realise they are screwing up, and an ass is someone who knows and just doesnt care.

Please remember that in the end, everyone is playing support. When you are in a PT, you are supporting everyone else. A tank supports with tanking, a damage dealer supports with damage. It all goes to the betterment of the party, and every skills is needed by everyone else in order to get what is desired, exp. Every single stat and ability and variable, all belong to everyone else with you, your job is to use that wich you have controll over the best it can be used. And truley remember this, you do not own your charicter when you join a PT, it owns you, you become part of a single thing, composed of several parts. You MUST also become part of a single MIND, or you will fail.

It is then, not a healers job to 'keep everyone alive', but to do their part. That part includes healing. But you should never be expected to save people from their own stupidity. Let people who bring death upon themselves die. They will learn from it and be better in the end.

So as far as guilt goes. If i mess up and do not do my job, nomatter what class i am, i feel bad. I try to learn from my mistake. I do not feel like a failure for the rest of the day, this will just make you mess up more. Instead of dwelling on how you are such a terrible healer, identify what happend and how you will deal with it next time.

In the end you can stop thinking, experiance is all it requires, eventualy the interface between you and the game breaks down and only the game remains. All variables are visable to you, and as they go around you, you manipulate their flows and tides directly. Its nothing you havnt seen before, you know what has happend, what is happening, and that wich will happen. At that point you cant 'mess up' becaus its second nature.

[Sinzer]

Heh, I rarely feel guilty cos in my limited experience of WHM, I have found I am always the first to go!

Although, I never pull aggro off the tank, due to good use of healing, I usually find that benediction is just a death warrant!

Save the PT ohhh I die again, I look forward to returning to THF and Bard when I can just run off into the sunset!

Hehe

[Issaac]

Benediction loose a lot of its fear in higher lvls. I normaly run away after i used it (when zone is near). Or i just stay and heal/die. But since lvl 40 or so, i never died again to benediction. The group was always able to get agro back. Also Curega isnt much a problem even in mid combat situations. I didnt tried (and will not) Curega 2...but 1 - as a fast healer, drains not that much hate.

[specular]

Had an incident yesterday, where a PT member got bombed by a special attack for 278 points (fighting Pugils at LV24). We had been chaining them for a good hour and then this. Although I appologized, I didn't feel guilt.

A day before that, someone else got hit by a special attack and died. But he could've made it if I hadn't casted Slow instead of a simple Cure I ... my bad! >_<

[myndreach]

Re: Do you feel guilt on PT member death(s)?

Originally posted by MELAZOMA
[B]Not to mention targeting your own PT member is nigh impossible in highly camped hunting grounds. (Never liked the F Keys....)[B]

make a macro for your number keys so you jus thit control+1-5

1 being first PT member other than you 5 being last

macro is...

/ma Cure <p1>

or p2, p3, p4, p5...simple then you dont have to target them just hit conrol+key you assign to each one!

[Stormwalker]

Originally posted by specular
Had an incident yesterday, where a PT member got bombed by a special attack for 278 points (fighting Pugils at LV24). We had been chaining them for a good hour and then this. Although I appologized, I didn't feel guilt.

Ah, Screwdriver. After a while, you learn to anticipate this, but it certainly comes as a nasty surprise the first few times. When fighting Pugils, you have to be really careful to keep your tank's HP as close to full as is practical.

[Sugarloaf]

I will always feel bad from someone dying really my fault or not. It was a bloodbath in quifim the other night, and once i hit 25 i raised about 15 people in less than 1 hour, so I imagine I will feel better about my whm from now on..after all it is my job to be nice and save people ^^


btw: don't you get a certain status if you raise enough people from the dead that are not in your party?

[MELAZOMA]

Wow, thanks for the replies^^

Can't believe the crazy rant of a starting WHM is still here after a month...

I'm now 27 and Raising bodies left and right. I do still have people die on my watch--sometimes my fault, sometimes not. I've learned to deal w/ it though.

Still, every party experience for me has been incredibly straining whether or not rogue elements are in a party. I usually ask to leave after one or two lvls...

In any case, thanks^_^

Sincerely,