Best healer: WHM/BRD or WHM/SMN?

[Sirius Black]

I realize the Bard obviously gives more healing stuff, but I think the summoner's MP and MND would also be a good help. WHich would make the "ultimate healer"?

[Beany]

I personally haven't messed with the SMN or BRD job that much, so I've always stuck with the traditional panda combo (WHM/BLM). Having BLM as a support job gives you a little bit of a boost to your MP max. I think SMN gets MP gradual refresh at LVL25, so maybe WHM/SMN might be a better combo once you hit LVL50 WHM. BRD might not be that great, because if you use it as Support, you don't have access to the higher level songs, but I might be wrong.

[Cedric-Archaon]

WHM/BRD - you have less mp, and you can only use 1 song at a time i believe with brd as sub. Gay.

WHM/SMN - high mp, auto-refresh 1 mp/3 seconds, and if you have garuda/titan you can also use good defensive magic on your pt i.e. blink-all, stoneskin.

WHM/BLM - lower mp than smn sub, but you have conserve mp which is nice when it works, and you can also use escape if need be. dezone also if youre lazy like me. the blm sign also comes in handy if you need to use sleep in an emergency.

In my opinion, you should just have blm and smn available, and if youre in a pt without someone who has the escape spell, ask the pt if they would prefer you use whichever sub.

Note, please dont use summoner unless you have good summons available, AND know what the fuck you're doing. There are WAY too many stupid people that don't use summons wisely.

[Sirius Black]

Here's the thing

Me my brother and two of my good friends are all gonna play together and my bro will be a BLK so we have it full time. One of my friends only likes White mages and so he will use that I'm just trying to make it strong but I have a full time BLK so it's ok. Then my other friend is a PAL/WAR so we have our tank. I am a SAM/THF so that we have a THF and a good DMG dealer, and we'll just recruit a Dragoon or whatever for stronger people. I would be a SAM/WAR for the attack, but I'd rather we didn't have to go looking for a THF if we need it. Between me a PLA and a full time nuker we should deal enough DMG to make up for my SAM/THF not SAM/WAR... or so I hope. So since you thought Bard sucked as a sub SN it is thanks.

[Spellbinder]

Yup. If you don't choose blackmage, I would definitely say summoner is the way to go. And like Cedric said, make sure you know what you're doing with those summons. :p

[tomfin10]

WHM/BRD - When you are singing you can't heal and that's not good. You also have less MP.

WHM/SMN - LOTS of MP which means you can heal more.

I'd say WHM/SMN is the ultimate healing combo.

[kezee]

Hi... I don't want to make a new topic for these few questions i have so I’m just going to post here...
I and some others who met in the Danish PS2 forum are going to make a party (or clan or what you call it). And I’m going to be a whm. But I have a question ... I don't fully understand how or what you use the sub. job to?
I have read some of the Topics in here but I just got more confused so... Anyone with some tips or some advises to what I shall choose? Oh... I forgot to write... I'm thinking on choosing Taru Taru for race.

Btw. Anyone who knows when FF XI will come to Europe?

[Sirius Black]

Well...

Any job can be a Main job, and any job can be a sub job to any main job. Ok, let's say you start as a Taru WHT (Best mage race btw) and you start lving him up. Once you hit a lv 18, you can do a quest and THEN from that quest you can equip a sub job. So you switch to say a BLK (black mage) so you are now a lv 1 BLK/18 WHT. However, your sub job is only half your mainjobs lv. SO when you reach say a lv 10, your WHT will then be a 5 even though it's still an 18, you just can't use his abilities above a 5. Then, once you get to say a lv 40, your WHT will still be at the same 18 (because sub jobs don't get exp) so your guy is a 40-BLK/18-WHT. SO you swich back to the WHT, and you are now a lv 18-WHT/9-BLK because it can only be half your main jobs lv. But as soon as you lv it up more more of your BLK lvs will become available. And that's pretty much it. Except of course you can use whatever jobs you want, and you can switch them in your Mog house any time.

[Valerathon]

I think Talis said it best, in his last post...

never sub bard! *Burns it on your forhead*

You will get horrible songs and you can only use your voice, No Instruments, subbing bard=bad.

[kezee]

Okay... Thank you...
Then some new questions... :p
Cedric-Archaon wrote that if you choose SMN you need to know what you are doing. So does he mean that you need to know which type of monster/Aeon you summon or what? What do you summon? Monsters or Aeons?

He he I have a lot of questions :p :confused:

[Jei]

Agree with /brd not being the best choice for WHM. If your PT has redmage or bard, leave the mp refreshing to them.

/brd for mp ballard can help when you really have no mp refresher with you. but still, make sure you have someone to escape before going to /brd.

about the summons, you should know what your summons can do and call them out for only that particular ability. if you call out your summons without knowing what to do with them you'll waste tons of MP for nothing.

[kezee]

Hmmm ok...
Then I will go for WHM/SUM. Or first White mage, and then when I get to level 30 Summoner as main job.

[Tuned Bandit]

SMN Reminder

Remember to get any good summons you have to defeat the summons with an all 60+ group. So going from Level 30 WHM to level 1 SMN is not a very good idea. As you will only have Carbuncle till level 60+. So what I suggest for you is to level WHM to 60+, go on a summon hunting mission to collect all the summons you can, then switch over to a SMN main job.

[zorrah]

Ya know, WHM from FF9 and 10 were mostly WHM/SMN or SMN/WHM

[kezee]

Re: SMN Reminder

Originally posted by Tuned Bandit
Remember to get any good summons you have to defeat the summons with an all 60+ group. So going from Level 30 WHM to level 1 SMN is not a very good idea. As you will only have Carbuncle till level 60+. So what I suggest for you is to level WHM to 60+, go on a summon hunting mission to collect all the summons you can, then switch over to a SMN main job.

ok... I will follow your advice Tuned Bandit.
I just have a question... can I get summons easier? Like you said I need to be level 60+ group to fight the summons, but how is the fighting mode made? Do the monsters just stands somewhere and can you then go over and attack them and if you really get into trouble can you then just run?
I was just thinking on... I'm going to have WHM as main job and I was then thinking if I also would get the summon if I for an example just stands in the back and heals the ones who fight against the summon (Let's say that it was 18 players and that all of them were from different Linkshells)?