effective tanking

[hongman]

Re: effective tanking

Get a crossbow, skill it up and shoot the puller.

Then find one who knows what he's doing.

[Malevolent]

Re: effective tanking

A good peice of equipment to use would be the Cach-nez give you low def becasue its a lvl 1 mask but it gives you +2 Enmity. I used this when I lvled Drg thru the dunes incases the Blm over nuked and got hate i'd swap this in and voke, take a few hits then main tank could voke and get it off me. Since at that time lvl10-21 i was wearing the same or similar gear as the tank.

[Ziero]

Re: effective tanking

The reason the dunes are so popular is the ability for people to make mistakes there with minimal repercussions. The first 20 levels mean nothing.

Actually, I feel the first 20-30 lvls mean everything. It's where you learn, or should learn, how to function in a party and in your job. Basic party functions like 'don't voke pull' or 'don't over nuke' are taught in the dunes, so when you have people doing it at lvl 60+ that means they weren't exactly paying attention. It's better to learn those lessons when you do have minimal repercussions as opposed to later in life while that giant dragon one shots the over zealous taru mage.


As for the op, you have done nothing wrong. My only suggestions to you are 1) get bone gear(though judging by your post I'm going to assume you were already working on that) and 2) level Mnk. War has a hard time tanking with no sub as it only has two hate tools, but Mnk doesn't need to tank so it's easier to level without a sub. Once mnk is 18 you can go back to war and watch your tanking ability increase drastically. It's, as mentioned before, also good for taking War to 37. If you plan on being *any* kind of front end melee or tank job, you'll need war to 37, so doing it early can easily help.

Also, Great Axe. It's a wonderful thing.

[Wander360]

Re: effective tanking

I'm gonna chime in here because I got WAR up to 19 with out any subjob and never had a problem. I don't have any specific tips to keep hate but I do know that if you are provoking the mob and every body else does their job hate shouldn't be a problem. All you really need do is provoke whenever it is available and this should keep enough hate through out the fight. Try to work with your party to ensure they know what will and will not work. As a WAR you have a huge amount of pull, whole parties die if a WAR can't keep hate and this gives you a lot of power.

[eticket109]

Re: effective tanking

Considering he started the thread six weeks ago, the issue is probably long settled for him by now. This is all good advice for anyone starting out though I suppose.

[Malevolent]

Re: effective tanking

For any beginner tank WAR, PLD & NIN from lvl 1-20 i would sugest to invest in some Enmity gear. theres a lvl 1 visor with Enmity+2 theres a variety of foods with Enmity+ in it...Researching the job, foods and gear before hand is always a good thing...

[Aksannyi]

Re: effective tanking

I've never understood how anyone who might possibly be in a position to pull wouldn't come to a party equipped with even the lowest possible bow/arrows, crossbow/bolts, etc. just in case. Any time I level a melee job other than Ninja or Paladin, I bring some freaking arrows along. Just seems like common sense to me.

[eticket109]

Re: effective tanking

For any beginner tank WAR, PLD & NIN from lvl 1-20 i would sugest to invest in some Enmity gear. theres a lvl 1 visor with Enmity+2 theres a variety of foods with Enmity+ in it...Researching the job, foods and gear before hand is always a good thing...

Cache-nez is relatively expensive for a new player.

[Spiritbear]

Re: effective tanking

I agree with Aksannyi. I have never gone to a pt without a tool to use for pulling mobs. I think I have pulled with every job I have lvled in a pt so far, to include whm.

As far as the OP if you have someone in your pt that is pulling with voke and you are suppose to be the tank you need to pull and tank, ask him to pull another way, and if he chooses not to let him die and he will learn his leason really quickly.

[Malevolent]

Re: effective tanking

I've never understood how anyone who might possibly be in a position to pull wouldn't come to a party equipped with even the lowest possible bow/arrows, crossbow/bolts, etc. just in case. Any time I level a melee job other than Ninja or Paladin, I bring some freaking arrows along. Just seems like common sense to me.

i can understand that and i can understand the player who "i can't afford it and i don't want to spend the whole day farming or runing back and forth on quests to get the gil to buy bows and arrows....". Later on i would deem it very impairative to equip such things...

[Malevolent]

Re: effective tanking

Cache-nez is relatively expensive for a new player.

it is sometimes...i've seen it go for 2k-200k

[Sevv]

Re: effective tanking

I've never understood how anyone who might possibly be in a position to pull wouldn't come to a party equipped with even the lowest possible bow/arrows, crossbow/bolts, etc. just in case. Any time I level a melee job other than Ninja or Paladin, I bring some freaking arrows along. Just seems like common sense to me.

i use bomb core on war but since im a ninja i always have an ele spell for pulling... granted its a slow and horrible way to pull but it works lol.

[TehTyr]

Re: effective tanking

Actually, I feel the first 20-30 lvls mean everything. It's where you learn, or should learn, how to function in a party and in your job. Basic party functions like 'don't voke pull' or 'don't over nuke' are taught in the dunes, so when you have people doing it at lvl 60+ that means they weren't exactly paying attention. It's better to learn those lessons when you do have minimal repercussions as opposed to later in life while that giant dragon one shots the over zealous taru mage.

The first 20 levels mean nothing - in the greater scheme of things. You can die as much as you want, you can get parties almost daily, and there's always someone there to tell you how to do your job.

At level 30+, if someone can't do their job, I will find someone who can. I don't want to be beating up mobs all night just because someone makes a noob mistake they should of corrected 10 levels ago.

[LyonheartLakshmi]

Re: effective tanking

Any WAR tank from 10 to 20 shouldn't need +enmity gear. Just sub MNK.

Any WAR in that level range that doesn't have subjobs unlocked won't have the gil to get +enmity gear. +enmity gear is expensive.

[hongman]

Re: effective tanking

So did you shoot the puller?