Sub jobs... Whats truly needed?

[Mog]

Re: Sub jobs... Whats truly needed?

I didn't state Exp Party Friendly Mog.

I stated the subs that have function and not limited to. And yes.. even /Drk has purpose, though I'm sure in your infinite wisdom you can disprove that...

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At what part of various stages of the game did you fail to comprehend? Do you see me stating exp-pt-onry here?

No.. hence why I listed /Whm since it's a favourite for CoP Wyrms.

And no, I don't recommend /Whm for EXP!

Oh, add another one there - /Blu as well.

What "stage" of the game do you consider /drk to be a viable subjob? Sure, it adds to WAR weaponskills. Big whoop. I can slap /blm onto war, call it situational, in order to further my skills with Staves.

You have to see past the obvious. Just because DRK/WAR is an excellant choice doesn't mean that it's going to be the same the other way around.

And no, I don't recommend /Whm for EXP!

/whm is a viable sub for a pre-20 warrior.

[IxX3xil3d0n3XxI]

Re: Sub jobs... Whats truly needed?

personally i wouldnt sub drk with anything except for rdm for chainspell and stun, but thats just me, i consider the main ones /mnk, /nin, and /thf. /whm is just ghetto pld.

but if your talking anytime subs and not just pt subs than i guess really any job could be a war sub ._.

but if i see a war/pup or anything running around on Phoenix i may be tempted to /slap you >.>;;

[Samuzuki]

Re: Sub jobs... Whats truly needed?

The /drg items really kcik ass i would be tempted to go /drg and get them around 30-40 if i had to lvl anymore DD's up.

[Spinnthrift]

Re: Sub jobs... Whats truly needed?

What "stage" of the game do you consider /drk to be a viable subjob? Sure, it adds to WAR weaponskills. Big whoop. I can slap /blm onto war, call it situational, in order to further my skills with Staves.

You have to see past the obvious. Just because DRK/WAR is an excellant choice doesn't mean that it's going to be the same the other way around.



/whm is a viable sub for a pre-20 warrior.

1: Post 60: When you have Soul Eater, and a War with enough Acc + Hp's to take advantage of it. How you make use of that is up to you.

2: /whm is not a viable sub for a pre 20 warrior. Pre 10, sure... when you need the 10 hp heals... post 10, /Mnk or /Rng is better. Rng for widescan and pulling and Mnk for Boost. /Whm comes into it's own again for CoP wyrms, but until you get into fairly specific roles, you're just advocating buttersheep. Next you'll say swords are the best weapons for War's?

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Oh, and ReaperX... if you want to come check out my gimpness on Phoenix, you're more than welcome to...

My level 40 Drg that I retired, is sitting at 297 attack in Phominua Aquaducts at the moment. Really gimpy.

I'm expressing the truth of viability for subs allround.. and War has a lot of potential depending on how you want to play it.

[Goldesper]

Re: Sub jobs... Whats truly needed?

Next you'll say swords are the best weapons for War's?

Isn't a fully merrited sword war/nin dual weilding Ridill + Joyeuse the best combo for WAR or have I been heaing things wrong again?

[Mog]

Re: Sub jobs... Whats truly needed?

Isn't a fully merrited sword war/nin dual weilding Ridill + Joyeuse the best combo for WAR or have I been heaing things wrong again?

You've been hearing wrong, obviously.

[Spinnthrift]

Re: Sub jobs... Whats truly needed?

Isn't a fully merrited sword war/nin dual weilding Ridill + Joyeuse the best combo for WAR or have I been hearing things wrong again?

And isn't a Drk using Ridill and Kraken and Souleater + Blood Weapon the most damaging thing on the planet too (and how many of those do you see every day)?

Most people don't have (nor ever will get) Joytoy's. Even less have Ridill's. For the true majority of this game - Axes/Great Axes are the Warrior's bread and butter. You have been *hearing* correctly - in exp, they are the best, but how many have you seen personally?

Sure - technically, you're right on a point, but until a Warrior gets access to both, they're not all that manly (swords).

So, until you get fully merited, and two of the most sought after high end weapons (why not demand they have K Osode, Unicorn Boots +1, blah blah blah...).

And on HNM's, no, a Sword War will still dink off them, while a G. Axe War/Thf won't. Mmmmkay? Thought so.

Yes - in one small aspect (meripo's), a sword War *can* beat out an axe or great axe War. But to advocate the use of swords for the majority of the Warrior, because of one of the rarer weapons in the game is stupidity of the highest level.

As I said.. how many have you seen personally... how many rid/joy war's do you have in your LS - and how many lvl 75 Warriors are there? How many lvl 75 War's do you know who don't have one of those two, let alone both?

When you've got your Woody/Maneater/Juggernauts, your Byakko's Axe and your Martial Axe, etc... sure - you look at Rid/Joy... because most Warrior's won't be leeching a Ridill off a good HNMLS

[Goldesper]

Re: Sub jobs... Whats truly needed?

Sure - technically, you're right on a point, but until a Warrior gets access to both, they're not all that manly (swords).

Awesome do I get a cookie

[Spinnthrift]

Re: Sub jobs... Whats truly needed?

I notice you didn't answer my other questions though... not that it's suprising.

Many Rid/Kraken Dark Knights too? Didn't think so either. Have your cookie - doesn't bother me.

[Goldesper]

Re: Sub jobs... Whats truly needed?

I notice you didn't answer my other questions though... not that it's suprising.

Sorry, I didn't bother replying because I was wrong... (BRD By trade, I don't /check many people, I just know that I'm getting either good or bad exp/hr )

I'll go eat my cookie now.

[Aeolus]

Re: Sub jobs... Whats truly needed?

Joyuese arnt that hard are they? Every second person and their dogs got one these days.

[Spinnthrift]

Re: Sub jobs... Whats truly needed?

From what I've seen - they're not that commonplace. Definately more people have a Joytoy than Ridill though, by a large amount. I think from what I've been told, two Ridill's drop a month on average, versus 2 Joytoy's a day? (which is clearly more) ^^.

A lot of my friends still need theirs.. and have levelled up multiple jobs to 70+ without being able to get them - so there definately is a margin of players without them.

[Aeolus]

Re: Sub jobs... Whats truly needed?

Oh yea, I didnt mean Ridil xD That thing is very rare, on my server at least. Dont see many. All the people I kno tho who get 70 and want one have had it within 1-2weeks. Guess everyones got one know so its not ever that camped.

[Kirsteena]

Re: Sub jobs... Whats truly needed?

Getting a Joyeuse isn't that difficult - its just a case of having patience to spend a long time in SSG if you don't have ToD. You can tell when the window is open, and there is always the chance of a Siren's Hair from a NM just outside to pass the time - hell we even managed to get one last time we camped Charby...

[Lilani]

Re: Sub jobs... Whats truly needed?

Well I have been levleing a bunch of classes and have been rather bored. War is still my favorite. So I leveled war to 37 with mnk as the sub job and now Im leveling Nin for a sub job. Will I be able to get away with just going war/nin and not touching theif or mnk again..? Do I want to Use a greataxe or just axes? I hear people say keep great axe leveled but for what? Weapon strikes? Well I hope I can get some help with this so I know what to do! =P

NIN is actually the preffered sub for WAR from my experience, at least 20+. You should use axes when subbing NIN because at 37 you can dual weild them. And you need to have as much shihei on you as when you are NIN, because more than likely you'll need to either main tank or at the very least subtank. And have a boomerang on you for pulling, which is also something WAR/NINs are useful for.

If you have NIN available, then after WAR20 you will never have to touch THF or MNK as a subjob for it again. However, it is better to at least have them available just in case your party has a preference. But if you don't want to level them then that's ok too.

Oh, and I think they say keep GA leveled because you might want to use it someday in case you can still/want to sub MNK or THF. Other than that I don't really see a reason.