Great Axe...?

[Raydeus]

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OP:

Since you already have Axe covered I think you should stick with G. Axe, at least until you get Rampage as a WAR (55). Before that G. Axe seems better, plus it wont hurt you to have it leveled.

[UnnamedGalka]

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I think it's time to leave him be. He's been told about the importance of a WAR keeping both Axe and Great Axe skilled, and he's not been convinced.

Some people just have to learn the hard way.

[Ziero]

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Nobody's telling Feba he *has* to lvl Gaxe. All that was said is that for much of the game, especially in the low lvls, it's a better weapon. But the OP asked if he should lvl his Gaxe now and for the most part, people said he should.

[Omni]

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This is almost comical. War is the new debate job of this era.

anyhow, you should keep them leveled, but not for the sake of using it in a pt if they need it but for the sake of saving yourself the hours of dreaded 2h weapon skill up when you're trying to get steel cyclone... 2h weapon skillup is one of the most annoying things to do.

gaxe and axe are both great for war. you cant go wrong with a A rated weapon on any job. nowadays... people do look for axe more often than gaxe. in tp burn pts, gaxe will lose out to axe. but, i have to say taht fuidama steel cyclone is one of the craziest ws ive seen used in an XP situation. it can totally make spinslash look dismal.

[Feba]

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Ok, the OP wasn't asking if YOU liked the weapon, he was askin if it was worth lvling it.

And for me, it isn't worth leveling. If i'm outparsed by WAR with around my eq and sub, using a great axe, i'll level it.

[Armando]

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And for me, it isn't worth leveling. If i'm outparsed by WAR with around my eq and sub, using a great axe, i'll level it.

You're not going to find many Great Axe-wielding WAR/NINs. By that logic, a low level DRK could easily convince himself that Great Sword and Scythe are better than Great Axe, too.

[Feba]

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I mean that as in "Not WAR/THF spamming SAWS"

Double Post Edited:
Oh, and before someone says "Well if WAR/THF will outdamage you, why don't play that?"; I need utsusemi because:

1- Most tanks at this level suck
2- Some PTs need me to subtank
3- Some PTs need me to main tank (and before you go talking about /MNK, there is usually another NIN or /NIN in the PT to help. )

[Goldesper]

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When I leveled WAR to 35 I used GAX from 12 onward. I was *never* outdamaged by anyone. There were a few who were close, a THF who had Maxed out Sword, DEX, STR, Critical Hit merits for instance. Apart from him, I could do as much as a Non-Resisted MB with each of my Criticals. 85% ACC too. When I got 30 and subbed THF, I could do 300ish Strumwinds to horribly overhunted Dhalmel.

But I'm not being biased in any: way, shape, or form. =P

[Murphie]

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When I leveled WAR to 35 I used GAX from 12 onward. I was *never* outdamaged by anyone. There were a few who were close, a THF who had Maxed out Sword, DEX, STR, Critical Hit merits for instance. Apart from him, I could do as much as a Non-Resisted MB with each of my Criticals. 85% ACC too. When I got 30 and subbed THF, I could do 300ish Strumwinds to horribly overhunted Dhalmel.

But I'm not being biased in any: way, shape, or form. =P

I honestly can't imagine an Axe WAR outdamaging a GAXE war if similarly equipped. Your experience with Great Axes has been mine as well.^^

[lionx]

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At lower levels, i usually will pick the GAxe weilding WAR over an Axe one. Sturmwind and Breaks are just that good. @_@ Axe is pretty weaksauce for the most part until Rampage IMO anyway. On that note, WAR/NIN dont HAVE to dual wield, before the Haste upgrade, the only real benefit of /NIN is Utsusemi, and you dont need to wield two axes to use it. I will still use GAxe unless i am doing some Axe WS for a skillchain as /NIN.

[Murphie]

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At lower levels, i usually will pick the GAxe weilding WAR over an Axe one. Sturmwind and Breaks are just that good. @_@ Axe is pretty weaksauce for the most part until Rampage IMO anyway. On that note, WAR/NIN dont HAVE to dual wield, before the Haste upgrade, the only real benefit of /NIN is Utsusemi, and you dont need to wield two axes to use it. I will still use GAxe unless i am doing some Axe WS for a skillchain as /NIN.

I have to finish leveling my WAR from 30-37 (might go to 40 though), and I'll have all three subs available. If they ask me to sub NIN, I definitely will, but I won't be dual weilding if I can help it.

Not that I won't keep my axe skilled, of course.

[Feba]

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Actually, even DW1 adds some haste. According to Amando in the thread: http://www.ffxionline.com/forums/nin...eild.mojo.html ,it adds 10%.

I'd beleive him, since he really seems to know what he's talking about.

[lionx]

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And from him i also noticed a reduced TP gain one time we were doing stuff together in Altepa and he was subbing NIN. You might swing faster, but the TP is also reduced per swing. I aint as math-worthy as him, but i believe he actually gained more TP single-wielding that day.

[ValisOfValefor]

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"You can't call a Great Axe swing slow and then pretend double axes aren't slow. The typical great axe has 504 Delay, whereas the typical Axe has 276; 276 * 2 * 0.90 = 496 total Delay. 8 Delay is a laughable difference, less than 1/6th of a second. Axes don't start coming with more than half of a Great Axe's DMG until C.C. Axes, either. In short, Great Axe is better pre-48 in most situations, regardless of the sub, so a WAR/NIN may as well use it."

Heres a quote from Armando from the other thread

You get an amazing 8 delay difference and since the game favors high delay weapons now.

To The OP.

In fact it is better to level the great axe early. It levels pretty slowly, and the later you wait the longer it's going to take.

To an other anonymous person in this thread

And frankly before you go around claiming that you never get outdamged when you parse every 3 levels, put up your levels, your equipment, And your party setups. What buffs you had on ect. And if you "can" posts some absolute posts to your claim.

And besides, if those Gaxe who never have never outdamaged you. Are most likely using breaks, making it so that your raging axes can hit so consistantly. -40 evasion when unresisted is alot.

Other people in this thread have been trying to help people instead of trying to put the same sorry misinformation over and over again, that has lead has lead to the saturation of one single sub. And has gotten to the point were other classes that cannot utilize that sub, are left in the dust and are continually whinned at for not having 3 shadows and two weapons.

In fact its gotten so bad that my brother whos a level 57 drk got whinned at by a mage the other day that he didnt have a ninja sub, so he couldnt be the sata partner for a tank because he would take *damage*

Ok im done ranting, but im just tired of this misinformation being spread. /nin has uses, and post 50 "can" do more damage. But War is supposed to be the jack of all trades when it comes subs, but now its a one trick pony, with duel axes, and rampage.

(And to everyone else im sorry that my reply got so off topic, i would have liked to hear others intellegent opinions, but it got derailed due to the same sorry song.)

[Goldesper]

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And frankly before you go around claiming that you never get outdamged when you parse every 3 levels, put up your levels, your equipment, And your party setups. What buffs you had on ect. And if you "can" posts some absolute posts to your claim.

Can't provide solid evidence, other than it was Valkrum DUnes, Qufim Island, Yuhtunga Jungle, and Yhoater Jungle

Just the normal noob setups (IE. WAR/WHM w/ Sword, some WAR/MNK with THF, PLD, NINs, etc.) Just random setups. (No BRDs either.) The only "facts" I can give you were that:

From 25-29 WAR/MNK Mostly tanking~
I hit from around 30 at a minimum. (w/o berserk)
65 at a maximum. (w/o berserk)
40 minimum (w/ berserk)
85 maximum (w/ berserk)
Criticals from 70-100 (w/o berserk)
Criticals from 80-140 (w/ berserk)
Counters were 90-100.
Strumwinds for 100-300. (@100% TP)
300% TP Strumwind for 396. (Double Attack Critical?)
I'm a Taru.
I was eating Rice Dumpling.
I have 2 Critical Hit Merits.