I'd like to stop missing so much... >< (WAR33)

[Ellipses]

Re: I'd like to stop missing so much... &gt;&lt; (WAR33)

If you're following the 2 dex = 1 accuracy theory, then yeah it's way less than 10. At around level 33 I had a little more than 40 dex. That means my base accuracy was around 20~. That meant that Sole Sushi would give me around +2 acc. Now as far as I know, the % increase only affects your base accuracy, what you get from your natural dex. Meaning that a mithra will get 2~ accuracy from the % increase of sole sushi at level 33. You can tack on as much extra dex as you want to give you more accuracy, but you're still lacking atk. Which is a no-no. I dion't even care about the +dex from sole sushi. If you don't have balanced stats then you're an inbalanced melee.

DEX isn't the only place you get ACC from. (By the way, that's not theory, it's been tested by changing DEX gear and checking mobs for high/normal/low evasion.) You also get one ACC for every level of skill on your current weapon. At level 33, that'd be around 100 for most jobs using their standard weapons. So 15% would at at least 15 ACC before even considering the ACC from DEX.

Not that I'm defending sushi at 33. The effects are still not worth it at that level vs. meat dishes.

[nanatsu]

Re: I'd like to stop missing so much... &gt;&lt; (WAR33)

DEX isn't the only place you get ACC from. (By the way, that's not theory, it's been tested by changing DEX gear and checking mobs for high/normal/low evasion.) You also get one ACC for every level of skill on your current weapon. At level 33, that'd be around 100 for most jobs using their standard weapons. So 15% would at at least 15 ACC before even considering the ACC from DEX.

Not that I'm defending sushi at 33. The effects are still not worth it at that level vs. meat dishes.

Hrm well that actually makes a lot of sense. I completely forgot about the accuracy you get from skill level. Still, given the choice I'd rather go for a more balanced food like rice dumplings. Focusing completely on accuracy while ignoring your attack will make you connect more but you'll be overall weaker. I've seen plenty of sushi eaters hitting for 0 against crabs in the dunes that it's not even amusing anymore.

[kuu]

Re: I'd like to stop missing so much... &gt;&lt; (WAR33)

I used Tentacle Sushi in the jungles because those mandies are so hard to hit, and quite frankly, it didn't make much of a difference. Plus, my damage kind of sucked. I had the best gear I could possibly have for those levels. I just went back to meat and stopped worrying about whether or not I was hitting every time.

I'd prefer to go the Rice Dumpling route at that level if I wasn't going to eat meat.

That's a different altogether, though not unrelated to this topic.

You can have all the acc -gil can buy- and not hit too far over your level.

There seems to be some kind of satistical system where even if 1 levels over 200xp, your hit rate and damage drops like a rock.

You can see this when you magically ding, and suddenly you're killing stuff in 1/2 the time it took before. Or a wipe, ding, no more wipe.

Commonly called super IT.

We all experienced this on pupils wipes fighting at lvl17, where a pt of 18 have no problems.

Most of us have exp in situations like this, when you ding with no change in equipment, no weapon skill up, nothing, but your damage and acc shot up 20%

It gets better as you go up in level it seems, probably because it's suppose to as xp lessens pass 50 60 70.

Oh and mandies have guard, they screw all melees except rangers up. Ranger rape on onion is a great thing to see.

edit:
There are modified situations with natural monster attributes. A goblin thf that give 130xp will be like the wind, where a 200 goblin blm seems to be much easier then 200xp.

Kind of like how we beat down pathfinders at 25.

[Murphie]

Re: I'd like to stop missing so much... &gt;&lt; (WAR33)

So, why are you suggesting that people stack ACC on bats then? It seems to me like the exact same situation.

[kuu]

Re: I'd like to stop missing so much... &gt;&lt; (WAR33)

So, why are you suggesting that people stack ACC on bats then? It seems to me like the exact same situation.

The point is you're already in the situation, so you gotta do what you gotta do.

We(at least most of us) don't just say, Ok kill me, I can't hit you, so I won't try.

Wiffing 50% is better then wiffing 80%.

If you have mage backup, you stack it as much as possible, and lose chain for the sake of fighting the next good fight. (and ding!)

missing 80% +acc equip = missing 70%+ sushi missing 60% + frost, grav etc = 50% = no wipe

Getting 100tp and trying to magic burst an over level enemy is always a good way to win.

[Armando]

Re: I'd like to stop missing so much... &gt;&lt; (WAR33)

Regarding Sushi: Sushi IS kind of a waste at those levels (compared to the wonders of Meat + Shield Break,) but sometimes the entire party insists on using it. If you're going to be using Armor Break anyways, may as well try to hit the mob a bit more often (Armor Break + Meat + Berserk would be a bit redundant...it's not like you'll get diminishing returns, but may as well try to go with a more balanced approach.) By 33 you should be getting about 18~19 Accuracy from Sushi anyways, which is decent (102 Acc from Skill, ~15 from DEX makes 117, 117 * 0.15 = 17, not counting any +Accuracy gear).

Basically, Meat + Shield Break > All, but sometimes Shield Break isn't a very good option (mobs that can overwrite it,) or sometimes the whole party's eating Sushi. Sushi + Armor Break can work well too, if the mob can't overwrite Armor Break.

[Murphie]

Re: I'd like to stop missing so much... &gt;&lt; (WAR33)

Or you could just change camps and eat meat and not have to fight tooth and nail for every victory.

Fair enough.

[Raydeus]

Re: I'd like to stop missing so much... &gt;&lt; (WAR33)

Eh... most sushi is +15-17% acc, at level 33 you have 103 acc and attack from skill alone , so unless math changed in the last week,thats +15-17 acc which is great. And +3-6 Dex which is pretty nice too.
Now, for a similar effect and much less gil spent Lanterns (acc +10) can work very well.

[Dryhus]

Re: I'd like to stop missing so much... &gt;&lt; (WAR33)

A 33 Hume WAR/NIN has 102 Axe skill and 35 DEX, which means you have a total of 119 base Accuracy. Sole Sushi would give you a 15% boost plus 3 Acc from the 6 DEX, that being 20 Acc. That's like having the accuracy of a 39 or 40 Hume WAR/NIN. It's a significant boost even at that level. Those who say it does nothing pre-40 or pre-50 completely misunderstand food boosts. People who say don't use sushi until 40-50 are saying that meat will have a greater impact on your DoT than sushi until 40-50.

40 Hume WAR/NIN....123 skill + 41 DEX = 143 base Accuracy --> Sushi gives +24 Acc ~= raising your level to 48
50 Hume WAR/NIN....153 skill + 50 DEX = 178 base Accuracy --> Sushi gives +29 Acc ~= raising your level to 59

[Murphie]

Re: I'd like to stop missing so much... &gt;&lt; (WAR33)

I think what most people are saying (without calling the other camp idiots, too - nice) is that the benefit from meat dishes is still of greater use than sushi. That's why it's the preferred food for those levels.

But maybe I'm wrong. Maybe they're saying something else entirely. Regardless, I think we can keep the name calling out of this.

[Dryhus]

Re: I'd like to stop missing so much... &gt;&lt; (WAR33)

If someone from the "sushi camp" wants to claim that meat does absolutely nothing for your attack after level 40-50, they'd be laying their own head on the chopping block as well.

EDIT: Bah, I guess you're right. Edited my post.

[Raydeus]

Re: I'd like to stop missing so much... &gt;&lt; (WAR33)

I think what most people are saying (without calling the other camp idiots, too - nice) is that the benefit from meat dishes is still of greater use than sushi. That's why it's the preferred food for those levels.

But maybe I'm wrong. Maybe they're saying something else entirely. Regardless, I think we can keep the name calling out of this.

Yeah, but it isn't as simple as that, there are situations where you need sushi and others where you need meat (even at the same camp!!), the best way to be effective as a DD is to observe how fights are going and use the apropiate food/gear combo.

What I usually do is fight the first few fights without food, and see how I'm doing against mobs (I switch STR and DEX acc gear in fights) that way I know if I need acc or att food.

Trying to simplify things to "only use THIS kinda food" will only make players a lot less effective than they would if they took some time to actually think about what's going on and what needs to be done food/gear wise.

[lionx]

Re: I'd like to stop missing so much... &gt;&lt; (WAR33)

I dont know, personally from all my melee subs lvling up around 33, i never touched much Acc gear outside of DEX from Spike Necklace, and maybe Fed. Gear here and there. I can keep up with TP fine, and i ate Dhamel Steak for the ATK. Those who ate sushi usually is minimally better with hitting, so i prefer Meat dishes over Sushi unless i miss..which i havent in all my times of lvling a sj(well..not so much that i felt like eating sushi).

[Murphie]

Re: I'd like to stop missing so much... &gt;&lt; (WAR33)

Yeah, but it isn't as simple as that, there are situations where you need sushi and others where you need meat (even at the same camp!!), the best way to be effective as a DD is to observe how fights are going and use the apropiate food/gear combo.

What I usually do is fight the first few fights without food, and see how I'm doing against mobs (I switch STR and DEX acc gear in fights) that way I know if I need acc or att food.

Trying to simplify things to "only use THIS kinda food" will only make players a lot less effective than they would if they took some time to actually think about what's going on and what needs to be done food/gear wise.

Good point. And I think that most good players (I know I do) approach things in this way. But the reason people suggest one food over another most of the time is because they have already been through these areas, and figured out what food worked best (for them at least). So it's not just guesswork.

Obviously there are going to be occasional variables depending on the individual and their party.

[Raydeus]

Re: I'd like to stop missing so much... &gt;&lt; (WAR33)

Obviously there are going to be occasional variables depending on the individual and their party.

Yep +1, since most players have different gear/skill/race/lvl mobs they fight etc. experiences what worked for someone might not work that well for another player.

Other players can give you pointers and hints of what worked against what, but the only way to really know for sure what aproach is better for you is fighting.