I got lectured -__-;

[fallenintoshadows]

I'm 39WAR/19PLD at the moment and the other day in a party some guy lectured me for using pld as my sub. He said I should only use mnk, thf, rng or nin. I told him I like using pld because when I solo I like to be able to cure myself, it gives me good defence and because when I used mnk as my sub before I just found it too boring. He told me that it didn't matter what defence I had because I shouldn't tank at my level, but I do all the time! If there's no nin or whatever in the party then I'll be the main tank and I like it that way. I plan on getting nin at some point when I get the fame but for now I'm happy using pld and no one else seemed to mind so far.
Should I really change my sub now? I mean if it's that much of a bad choice obviously I would change it straight away but I don't want to go on just the opinion of one guy.

[Ellipses]

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What you do when you're solo has absolutely no bearing on what you do in a party.

WAR as a tank generally holds hate through damage and abilities. Your PLD sub isn't giving you enough abilities, and doesn't put out the damage that /MNK would. The increased defense is meaningless if you can't hold hate. A PLD/WAR at your level can hold hate easily because they'd have 39 levels of spells and MP, not 19. Even if you manage to hold hate through a fight, there's no way you have enough MP to hold a chain, unless maybe you're eating MP food, which would mean giving up better tank food.

As a DD, WAR/PLD is even worse, because the subjob adds no significant boost to attack power. The only time defense matters to a DD is when the tank sucks or the DD can't walk the hate line (I doubt that second one will be an issue with /PLD). MNK would add damage across the board. THF would offer Sneak Attack. NIN would offer Dual Wield and Utsusemi. RNG has Accuracy Bonus to make sure you hit the mob more often.

It may actually work halfway well for now, given the right support. But for tanking, /MNK (or /NIN if you've got two tanks) would work a lot better.

BTW, I don't think you need fame to unlock NIN. You need Norg fame to quest the scrolls, but not to get the job.

[Murphie]

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I can't think of any reason to sub PLD in a party, sorry. If you find that it works for solo, good for you. But a party situation is totally different, and you have to take into account what is best for the group.

[qaitakalnin]

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Ellipses and fallenintoshadows pretty much hit the nail on the head (or would that be hit the mob on the head?) Anyway, /pld might be great for you when you solo, but when you are in a pt you, as a war, have 1 primary job, and 1 secondary job. Primary being do as much damage through either twin axes, SA axe or Great Axe, Great Axe only, ect., which pld does not lend iteself to, and yoru secondary is to back up the main tank so that *hopefully* the pt doesnt wipe if the mob starts after the mages.

While you are soloing do whatever you want, heck as far as i am concerned you can even /pld in a party, just be aware that you will recieve critisim for it, that it isnt the best sub for party purposes and that you may in fact either be asked to change the sub or be booted from the pt. None of those people pay for your time on the game, nor do you pay for their time so if they dont want war/pld then they wont take war/pld in the pt. As long as you are aware of those facts, do what you want just be prepared for the concequeneces.

[fallenintoshadows]

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Ok thanks for the info I'll get nin asap ^ ^
I don't need fame for the job? O__o
Well that makes it easier!

[Aeolus]

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You just need alot of tenshodo fame for the Tonko and Utsusemi scrolls in norg.

[forster]

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... or a buttload of gil.

[kiffkin]

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I'm soloing as 19WAR/PLD just now, on account of having next to no GA skill (axe is at 153 and it's very tempting to just use that instead). I tried going WAR/MNK, but found that there was a lot of downtime. The three cures I get help speed things up a bit.

I wouldn't use it in a party at this level though, I can't see anything it would bring that another sub couldn't do better.

Also, you need Norg/Tenshodo fame 4 to get the scrolls. The usual way of getting the fame is to do the Yagudo Necklace quest for Nanaa Mihgo (Mihgo's Amigo) 50 times. You can also get the fame by doing the Shady Business quest in Bastok, or by doing some of the lower fame quests in Norg.

[Armando]

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I would also like to add that PLD sub won't add any defense for you unless a) using Esquire's Earring or b) Level 60+. Either way it's not enough Defense to justify the sub, /WHM would work better for soloing. Shield Bash goes to waste because you should be using Great Axe at these levels.

So, yes, you definitely should change your sub, like the others said. It'll increase your performance by a lot. /NIN allows you to duo/backup tank, /MNK is a main tank sub, /THF is for DDing. /RNG gives Accuracy Bonus, but I prefer /THF for DDing unless you have capped Marksmanship and you're macroing in +ranged accuracy to shoot Acid Bolts from the sweet spot at the beginning of fights.

[fallenintoshadows]

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I think I'll go with nin then, so it's 50 necklaces? I think I can do that...

[Lonerwolf]

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More like 200 i heard.

[Aeolus]

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Yea, it is more like 200-230. Last time I did it I just killed worms in Dangruf Wadi for Zinc ore. You only need to trade 100 Zinc ore to get enough fame. The quest in bastok is in Warehouse#2 in the port. Trade him 4 zinc ores a go. You get some money for it. 25 times is enough to raise fame to get the Rusty Subligar/Leggings quests in norg which will then get you enough fame to do the Tonko:Ichi quest and finally the Utsusemi:Ichi quest(Both in Norg).

[fallenintoshadows]

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ok I think I'll do the zinc ore quest then XD

[Suichi]

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If you were soloing, he had no right to tell you what to do.

In a pt it's different, as WAR/PLD is not the most optimal sub for a pt.

[Armando]

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Regarding Zinc: It's a matter of personal preference, but worm drop rate is too slow for my likings. You can mine Zinc in Zeruhn and make some profit selling iron and (rarely) darksteel. You could also turn coppers and tins into bronze ingots, those also sell well.