To n00b WARs: you are not a PLD

[Armando]

Re: To n00b WARs: you are not a PLD

does anyone notice that everyone on the thread is saying the samething but arguing lmao. I want this ws cuz of this sc but i hate that weapon even tho it does good sc. War is versitile people and if you havent noticed on your servers no to players play any job the same way so why is it a big deal if someone doesnt use the weapon YOU want you say its all about the party but its not the whole pt complaing or they would leave right? So you just think that your right and they are wrong. War can use almost any weapon so why tell them they are wrong for taking advantage if they werent suppose to use a weapon the it wouldnt be on the combat skills list for war. Just relax and worry about your job on the game people not someone else if they dding or tanking good then why change what they are good at so you can feel better.


and the big point was about taru plds which almost every person here missed. Taru plds rock they have the ability to keep hate alot better then most plds due to them taking slightly more damage and with the higher mp it saves ne one from getting hit tho in dunes they really dont show as well as they truely are, due to being a low level or not having proper gears.

oh and ghetto plds are one of the "only in the dunes" comments that you should enjoy and laugh about not freak out. And wouldnt a war/whm with a sword and shield basically be learning a bit more about pld, and then be better off as a pld down the road.

WAR has a B in just about everything, including Dagger, Club, and Staff. Do you think a WAR can do good damage with those? That's exactly my point...granted, it's more extreme, but it gets the point accross - anything that isn't Axe or Great Axe just isn't optimal. That aside, not using Axe or Great Axe will have negative repercussions in the future, seeing as you NEED them if you want to play WAR seriously. Also, Great Axe has most of the bases covered for skillchains: Breaks will close Fusion, Iron Tempest will close Distorion, Sturmwind will close Fragmentation. The only level 2 skillchain it doesn't close is Gravitation, which is rarely ever done and only a few WS are of the Compression type anyways. The only thing sword offers is being able to open Fusion; the only thing GS or Polearm offers is being able to open Distortion and Fragmentation; the only thing Scythe offers is being able to open Fragmentation. Honestly, I'd rather just use my most effective weapon, closing the skillchains, or even just solo Breaks (because they're that good.) Moreover, noone is going to expect me to carry any of those weapons; if they need one of those WS so bad, they'll get someone else to perform them. Finally, at low levels, swords, spears, and zaghnals suffer from low DMG, and Lances/Scythes (real ones) are unavailable to WAR.

EDIT: Oh yeah, and like I've said many times before, the damage on Sturmwind or the damage done as a result of Shield Break's Evasion -40 outweigh almost anything any other weapon has to offer. I think the only reason you wouldn't want to use Great Axe at those levels is to be able to use a shield (with Axe) to mitigate damage.

[Akai]

Re: To n00b WARs: you are not a PLD

You cannot be more wrong, if i want GSword, i am getting a DRK over a WAR. Try getting a DRK and WAR team for Shadow of Death => Sturmwind, thats uber in damage. THFs are good and all, but you dont HAVE to party with them, DRKs and SAMs with Hobaku are WAR good friends at those levels. Dont forget Axes which can close Fusion with SAMs and RNGs as well as close distortion.

GAxe Sturmwind IMO outdamages almost all WS at those levels and puts WAR near the top around the lower levels no question.

well, also, this was like 2years ago when every job was different...also i cant really remember very well <_< and everything was in jp so....ya..

[Tomatoes]

Re: To n00b WARs: you are not a PLD

Armando, I agree with the general gist of your post. WAR should rely Axe/Gaxe as a rule of thumb. However, some of your other points were quite silly.

No other weapons competently viable? No.
Close SC w/ a Break? No thanks.
Sword limited to only opening Fusion? No.
Iron Tempest to close Distortion? Meh.

It's not good to forsake Axe/Gax for other weapons, but it's also not that good to ignore the potential of other weapons. WARs are supposed to be versatile, whether that means tanking and/or DD'ing, or being proficient in all the weapons/skills available to you.

[Armando]

Re: To n00b WARs: you are not a PLD

I can understand the point about the Breaks (since it's situational, because you're sacrificing damage by losing the skillchain/MB.) The reason I said Sword is limited to opening Fusion, though, is because all the other elements (scission, detonation, impaction) can already be found on Axe/Great Axe. Iron Tempest may be mediocre as far as Great Axe WS go, but it's better than Fast Blade (due to low DMG swords at those levels,) stacks well with Sneak Attack since it's a one-hitter, and should be on equal terms to Avalanche Axe.

Don't get me wrong, I don't think WARs shouldn't skill up other weapons...but they should do that on their own time, not in EXP parties. Moreover, if they're going to use another weapon, it better be close to the cap.

[SelfdestButton]

Re: To n00b WARs: you are not a PLD

I love nitpicking.

The only level 2 skillchain it (great axe) doesn't close is Gravitation...

Actually, Keen Edge is a compression WS. So it can do that too.

Keep up with the great axe propaganda. If little things like reasoning and irrefutable logic won't work, repetitiveness will sway the nub masses!

[Armando]

Re: To n00b WARs: you are not a PLD

Hehe, I actually found that out after my post, but I didn't feel like going back to edit it, and by 55 everyone seems to want to spam Rampage anyways. But, yeah, it looks like Great Axe has all four Level 2 skillchains covered. Not many people can say that about their weapon ^^

[lionx]

Re: To n00b WARs: you are not a PLD

Does Keen Edge even do alot of damage? I never seen any WAR use it but then again most of them sub NIN when DD...

[Akai]

Re: To n00b WARs: you are not a PLD

not really, but i havent used that for a long time, and my gaxe is like 20 from cap <_< but it'd probably do 200-500

[SelfdestButton]

Re: To n00b WARs: you are not a PLD

I had a war/thf interchange it with sturmwind a few times. Seemed to be about as strong.

[Weapon Zero]

Re: To n00b WARs: you are not a PLD

Many of you were probobly guilty of this to some extent, and don't lie.

I was using Spears on my WAR because I thought axes were simply too crude, I wanted style and I had the OMG DRG IS COOL bug. After my Spear based stupidity I found myself using a Greatsword in qufim and the jungles and I was still doing it for style and Power Slash. On my last like..... 3 levels..... I had a greataxe and discovered the shininess of Sturmwind.

I knew what I was supposed to do, and it took 27 levels to comply, but my point is that I was guilty of what you people are complaining about and I still OWNED as well as a noob-war could.

Sadly I still have the OMG DRG IS COOL thing going on, DRG55

[Armando]

Re: To n00b WARs: you are not a PLD

I'm guilty. Used sword/great sword until about 22. We probably all are. The problem isn't wether or not the newbies are using sub-par weapons. The problem is that most of them are given advice, and they just don't want to listen.

[SelfdestButton]

Re: To n00b WARs: you are not a PLD

Guilty. I used spear to level 30, and dear god did I ever suck. When I had to finish war to 37 I had a hell of time skilling Gaxe near cap, so let that be a lesson to the rest of you.

[Lmnop]

Re: To n00b WARs: you are not a PLD

polearm to 30 here. I never even looked at a game FAQ or anything. If I had stumbled across these forums and seen irrefutably evidence that greataxe was better, I sure as hell would've switched over to it. People who see this thread and still don't make the change-over -- especially the ones still in their teens who wouldn't have too much heartache skilling up GA -- are the ones I feel aren't worthy of being in my exp parties.

Keen Edge is a crit hit type WS, so SA would maximize it's damage (supposing that it's not actually possible to crit a crit. It's not from what I've seen) so it wouldn't actually have the damage potential of Sturmwind.

From What I've seen, sturmwind if /thf, keen edge if anything else. More reliable damage when I war/mnk tanked in the low 50s. Of course, I still did breaks first and foremost, but when the mob needed to die -now- Keen Edge came forth, not Sturmwind.

No other weapons competently viable? No.
Close SC w/ a Break? No thanks.
Sword limited to only opening Fusion? No.
Iron Tempest to close Distortion? Meh.

A Break WS will deal almost as much dmg as Slice from a Drk, wars can sub thf w/out losing Berserk unlike the aforementioned class. This is more for the MB, but it's a tactic I never got to do because it's rare to set up a fusion unless you have a mnk who you are trying to work into an SC.

Iron Tempest Disto -- same thing about drks but moreso. I did this a few times and hated it because I wasn't using Sturmwind, but I also knew that my damage was higher as war/thf closing SC with SA Iron Tempest than a Drk/War, a Drk/Thf, a Sam/war, a Sam/Thf, or a War/nin.

[SelfdestButton]

Re: To n00b WARs: you are not a PLD

Honestly. A screenshot of 200 damage sturmwind to a low IT Qufim crab and I would've been fuckin' sold.

[Tomatoes]

Re: To n00b WARs: you are not a PLD

A Break WS will deal almost as much dmg as Slice from a Drk, wars can sub thf w/out losing Berserk unlike the aforementioned class. This is more for the MB, but it's a tactic I never got to do because it's rare to set up a fusion unless you have a mnk who you are trying to work into an SC.

Why compare to Slice though? Scythe WS are not really impressive for quite a while. And DRK will probably close with Soul Eater Hard Slash if they want more damage (for SelfdestButton's reference, this did about 125-150 on Qufim crab for me with sole sushi and acid bolt. I don't think I broke 200 though, but this was like a year ago so I don't remember clearly.). Just because Break can match a bad WS, does not make it preferable to close skillchains. Also, if you're fighting beetles, Shield Break often goes to waste. Same is true of Armor Break against crawlers and crabs.

And it's nice that you can claim to outdamage those other classes on Distortion (although, in my experience SA Tachi:Enpi beats SA Iron Tempest, SA Hard Slash also, but I can only make this claim from second-hand observation), but if we're extending this discussion beyond WAR, then THF's Viper Bite (or even SA Fast Blade pre-30ish) beats all of these WS/job combos. To be honest, I'm not sure why you made those outside comparisons? Then again, I've kinda lost track of this thread. I thought it was already agreed that axe/gaxe is preferred/proficient in general?

Edit: sorry, meant Last Resort, not Soul Eater.