To n00b WARs: you are not a PLD

[Intensity]

Re: To n00b WARs: you are not a PLD

I don't really have a problem with them using a sword, but got f**k sake, stop subbing WHM!!!

True Strike.

[Kailea]

Re: To n00b WARs: you are not a PLD

I don't really have a problem with them using a sword, but got f**k sake, stop subbing WHM!!!

lol ok that I agree with :p

[mpa]

Re: To n00b WARs: you are not a PLD

What's funny is that when they get in an HNMLS, suddenly WAR/WHM is a pretty nice tank.

[Osaka]

Re: To n00b WARs: you are not a PLD

There are many different reasons to use different job combos, as well as gear. Just because you can do more damage with one weapon with a certain job opposed to another is not the only reason you should use it. As an example, as JeanRC said, a 1h sword is easier to Renkei with at the lower levels, so naturally any WAR worth his salt at those levels will have 1h skilled up. As the WAR gets up in levels or opens up the advanced jobs, yes you would expect them to start using the 1h Axe or G. Axe as well as all the other weapons.
The same thing applys to jobs. We can all agree that there are some job combos that don't work in a PT. Thought these job combos make work with Solo or HNM. For example I wanted to level my NIN solo, but I hate the time it takes when I have to rest after every other fight. Subbing WHM does allow me to heal myself during a fight but then I have to rest for MP. I found if I sub BRD, using Peon I reduce resting time considerably almost to the point of eliminating it. As for gear instead of using a two Katanas, which would increase skill up, I use one Katana and one 1h sword. I find that the combo does considerably more damage than using only two Katanas, since the 1h sword has a higher damage output on the offhand, but the Katana on the right hand does higher WS damage. This job combo would not be acepted in a PT, but as solo works wonders.
The only issue I have is there are players out there who complain about other people using "incorrect" job and gear combos, but none of the spend the time to teach those other players why a job or gear works better than the other. Nor do they take the time to think about why the other player is using an odd job combo or using a different weapon than what is considered normal or optimal.
We can agree that there are many players out there that plain don't know better, but instead of complaing about them, teach them why what they are doing is bad for the situation at hand. There is a distinct difference between telling someone why their choice of job combo is bad or the gear they are using is not optimal, and teaching them why.

So next time you see someone with an odd job\gear combo consider why they are using it before you judge them. As a parting example, one of the best job combos I have seen work is the WHM/WAR. I won't go into how this works well, but if you want to konw, consider first the strengths of the job before asking me why.

~Osaka

[Sammitch]

Re: To n00b WARs: you are not a PLD

To top it off, the DRK Flag quest expects you to kill 100 monsters with a Gsword only equippable by WARs and ... DRKs. Since you're using that sword to kill monsters in order to be able to use the DRK job, one can only assume then that you need a WAR to kill the monsters. Can anyone see the flawed logic here? I mean, why don't they make changes to the Advanced Job quests

So? The sword is level 1 so why not just go out and kill 100 monsters while you bring up your WAR to level 3 or 4?

In order to obtain the ability to use the PLD, DRK, NIN, SAM, DRG and RNG job classes, you must have WAR job class leveled to 37.

In order to obtain the ability to use the SMN, BRD and BST job classes, you must have WHM job class leveled to 37.

/endrant

This angers you? Did you just hear about FFXI today? Were you living under a rock?

[nanatsu]

Re: To n00b WARs: you are not a PLD

So? The sword is level 1 so why not just go out and kill 100 monsters while you bring up your WAR to level 3 or 4?

This angers you? Did you just hear about FFXI today? Were you living under a rock?

She's not angry >_> She's pointing out the flawed logic and the game and being a little sarcastic while she's at it. She's stating that she finds that amusing and odd. The last part you quoted she was just making a suggestion about how they SHOULD do it rather than the job system they're using now in the game since some things make little sense and that way makes a lot more sense seeing as how it was done in the past and would alleviate a lot of problems like that.

Reading comprehension ftw.

[tdh]

Re: To n00b WARs: you are not a PLD

So? The sword is level 1 so why not just go out and kill 100 monsters while you bring up your WAR to level 3 or 4?

The reason why is that the delay on that damn sword is just hell. So a Lv.1 WAR could actually be killed by a decent due to how slow the damn thing is, and having a Lv.0 Skill. The key to this quest is to be able to pull 5 or 6 Too Weaks and keep the sword drawn. Because once you put it away, it could be 5 minutes before you can draw it again. (Man I hated this quest! And I hated upgrading the sword. I won't even go into it!)

But what gets me is you see Zeid with a Great Sword in all the cutscenes, you need one to unlock the job, yet our A+ weapon is Scythe, and our AF1 is Scythe. Then from Lv.66 to end game we use Great Sword nearly 95% of the time. Spinning Slash FTW!!

[Susurrus]

Re: To n00b WARs: you are not a PLD

When I made this post, I was trying to go more off my 2nd point, not the what weapon to use.

And Tarutarus make excellent Paladins due to their high MP. Yes, you need to compensate for your low defense with good gear, but even at 29 I have more defense than some non-taru paladins due to my gear choices. Oh, and I have 240 MP - more than several Paladins have at much higher levels. The only downside to Taru PLDs is those crazy attacks that take away lots of HP.

You can also look at it like this: less defense + more MP = more self curing = more hate.

[Lmnop]

Re: To n00b WARs: you are not a PLD

If I had to guess, Warrior's starting weapon is Sword and they're forced to skill greatsword some for DRK quest for the same reason: encourage flexibility. They wanted warriors to have sword, greatsword, axe, greataxe, and Cyborg Justiceâ„¢ leveled because that's what warriors do. And who's 2nd place for weapon versatility? Dark Knight! So of course, they want them to have to skill up greatsword to unlock the class, where they'll find themselves using Scythe often.

What's wrong with this is that no human likes to skill up weapons. Did S-E think I'd enjoy endlessly killing monsters with no danger of dying for no other reason then to hope for a .1 skill up every 3 fights? And what the hell is with it taking 6 times as long to skill up great axe or scythe than to skill up dagger? shouldn't longer delay = higher chance of skill up or something?

btw: war starts with sword, AF weapon is axe, and Relic is Greataxe and Greatsword. Good stuff.

Guttler? no thanks.

[Zyph]

Re: To n00b WARs: you are not a PLD

Umm.. A warrior can effectively use any weapon. That's what a warrior does, they can master any weapon, except H2H, Katana, Great Katana. Before 55, there is nothing wrong with sword, but you shouldn't neglect your other weapons.. like Axe and Great axe.

[Armando]

Re: To n00b WARs: you are not a PLD

They can use most weapons but Axe/Great Axe still generally outshine any other weapon too...Smash Axe is available way sooner than Flat Blade, Raging Axe will usually outdamage Fast Blade during the levels in question due to axes having almost invariable higher DMG than swords of equal level, Shield Break's Evasion -40 is priceless, it's hard for any WS to compete with Sturmwind in terms of raw damage, and as you go higher up, that skill gap between A and B gets wider. Don't get me wrong, it's not like you'll suddenly miss every hit with capped skills with other weapons, but in general our main weapons are just better...

What's truly annoying about this trend though isn't the fact that they're using less-effective weapon choices, but the rationale behind it. "I'm training to be a PLD/DRG/DRK" or "but this weapon looks cool" indeed. I'm not saying it's all their fault (this has been explained many times...flawed in-game hints as to what each job should use) but there's certainly no reason for them not to at least try to listen why their weapon choise is sub-par. Also, the fact that if the player won't listen, he's probably not that good a player to begin with, brings up a double problem: he'll probably suck as WAR, and then he'll go suck at X "advanced job" (why aren't they officially called "extra jobs?") too.

Honestly, people stop need to playing WAR like a watered-down or basic version of their advanced jobs. WAR is a job in its own right. You don't see me being a Bow/Crossbow Warrior just because I'm using it as a stepping stone for RNG, do you? =P And no, I don't care if that club looks cool, you're, use the right weapon (I once had a THF with a staff in Yhoator, believe it or not.) When it comes down to it...if they at least had some sort of logical argument, it wouldn't be so annoying.

[Zyph]

Re: To n00b WARs: you are not a PLD

They can use most weapons but Axe/Great Axe still generally outshine any other weapon too...Smash Axe is available way sooner than Flat Blade, Raging Axe will usually outdamage Fast Blade during the levels in question due to axes having almost invariable higher DMG than swords of equal level, Shield Break's Evasion -40 is priceless, it's hard for any WS to compete with Sturmwind in terms of raw damage, and as you go higher up, that skill gap between A and B gets wider. Don't get me wrong, it's not like you'll suddenly miss every hit with capped skills with other weapons, but in general our main weapons are just better...

What's truly annoying about this trend though isn't the fact that they're using less-effective weapon choices, but the rationale behind it. "I'm training to be a PLD/DRG/DRK" or "but this weapon looks cool" indeed. I'm not saying it's all their fault (this has been explained many times...flawed in-game hints as to what each job should use) but there's certainly no reason for them not to at least try to listen why their weapon choise is sub-par. Also, the fact that if the player won't listen, he's probably not that good a player to begin with, brings up a double problem: he'll probably suck as WAR, and then he'll go suck at X "advanced job" (why aren't they officially called "extra jobs?") too.

Honestly, people stop need to playing WAR like a watered-down or basic version of their advanced jobs. WAR is a job in its own right. You don't see me being a Bow/Crossbow Warrior just because I'm using it as a stepping stone for RNG, do you? =P And no, I don't care if that club looks cool, you're, use the right weapon (I once had a THF with a staff in Yhoator, believe it or not.) When it comes down to it...if they at least had some sort of logical argument, it wouldn't be so annoying.

You don't seem to understand, especially at 70+, that Skill gap makes no difference. For example, my greatsword caps at 256. I can close light with groundstrike, and still go into the 1k+ range. Spiral hell, I don't know, but i'm assuming i'd could break 1k with that, too.

[lionx]

Re: To n00b WARs: you are not a PLD

I dont think thats what he is trying to say, i think he is saying, they are using less effective weapon choices, despite the fact that they know its worst off. While end-game might or might not be a matter(i havent lvled a melee there yet), the fact remains that they do use sub-par weapons throughout their career and their only backing on it, is that it looks cool or use it for another job.

Personally when i invite a WAR(especially as DD), i expect Axe or GAxe, and if they have other weapons up too then good for them, but it wont be on my list of what i look for.

Me: Ok everyone Tachi: Yukikaze => Raging Rush for the Frag.
WAR: I only have polearm =(
Me: Do you at least have an Axe so we can do Distortion?
WAR: Nope
Me: Guess its Double Thurst => Tachi: Jinpu then..

=_=;....

[Puerilis]

Re: To n00b WARs: you are not a PLD

One of the problems New Warriors have (especially if they still have their ? When they hit valkurm... Yes I've done that before) Is that many don't have the money to buy those expensive weapons from the AH. And many don't know that you can go buy a Butterfly GAxe from Mhura for 600g Even though most servers have them for sell in the auction house for 5k to 10k. (I actually made a ton of money just buying Butterfly Axes in Mhura and selling them for 9.5k worth of profit in jeuno for a while on Midgarsormor at low levels)

I'll admit that I leveled up War to 37 using a Sword and Shield. But I also used Shield and Axe, Shield and Dagger, Great Sword, Great Axe, Pole Arm, and Scyth. Because if the terms of the party changed and we needed a Better Renkai, I was ready willing and able to follow through with ANY memeber of the party to skill chain easily. I had them all capped when I hit 37 and unlocked PLD and DRK and started leveling both of those back and forth.

[Lakai]

Re: To n00b WARs: you are not a PLD

Well its fairly obvious why you can get the advanced jobs at lvl 30. The LVL cap wasn't always lvl 75!