WAR/THF Your takes?

[Kakusaijin.]

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Just on a side note, that avatar is actually Kazkau's self portrait. :D

[Kazkau]

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i'l have to post the picture of me driving a truck..
if i can find it >=/

but seriously i made that one day when i was trying to draw clouds in paint... it just happend to turn into a little happy guy

[Omni]

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war/thf is great for many situations, but again i think it is very situational. it's not your all around good for everything combo imo.

this combo can drop some heavy heavy dark renkeis. asuran first > fuidama + steelcyclone is one of the strongest renkeis around.

sturmwind does give good numbers but i feel that w/o having ways to manage hate before 60, it provides more problems than it does good. having hate put on you from a 400 dmg sturmwind and you let the renkei go too early is not a good thing, regardless of how hard you hit it. if you are going to war/thf for sa+sturmwind, make sure you kill the mob or are close to it else you'll have an angry mob beating on you or the whm that is dropping cure bombs on you.

[galkaBST]

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I think thf is a great subjob for any level after sneak attack personally, but it's not nessesarily because I think /thf provides that much for a war, it's more that I think great axe provides a lot and as a war/nin there's no way you're going to use one (although I have at times, the shit you take for it isnt worth it, even if your great axe is capped and has 10+ levels on your normal axe skill-wise). As Omni said, there's some really powerful skillchains to be had, but I dont really see an empansis on how powerful full break is. If you have a party that is already fast, use full break and you'll contribute more to overall damage than you ever could as a war/nin (think about how brds work, in a way), it really can take your party from fast to godly.

All that said, I've used war/thf from level 30+, and I've used war/nin in that time too. If your pt doesnt have someone with sata, take thf if you can, the damage is comprable to war/nin most of the time as long as you gear yourself properly (lots of +att and +acc to maximize that damage for a high delay weapon). Personally, I like war/drg, but that's a whole other argument XD

Edit: I meant "high delay weapon." As much as I'd love a low delay g axe...

[Tadghostal]

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Let me ask something stupid then: At 50 (and later at 55 with Rampage), does war/nin with DW axes outparse war/thf with a Great Axe?

Thanks.

[Gaard]

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Let me ask something stupid then: At 50 (and later at 55 with Rampage), does war/nin with DW axes outparse war/thf with a Great Axe?

Thanks.

At 50, yes. This is because you usually use two Viking Axes at this stage. With +20 acc in the weapon slot, it's easy to eat meat foods and do high damage per hit. The /THF might be inclined to eat sushi (because GAxe misses are painful, and parites tend to overhunt), thus lowering his per-hit damage. Meat is pretty much essential to making a 2H weapon perform the way it should.

At 55, same thing. Your DoT will be lowered a bit if you're forced to participate in a SC, though. Every bit of TP you gain over 100% is "wasted". If you can spam your WS (Rampage), you will outparse a WAR/THF by quite a bit.

At 60 with TA /THF becomes very useful again for hate control purposes (still with less DoT). I enjoyed this role.

[Lmnop]

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I'm inclined to think that between 50 and 55, /nin and /thf are equal. I did a really good party in these levels with a war/thf on meat food (he had enough acc gear to get away with it) and I wouldn't be surprised if he out damaged me. OF course, Big pretty numbers always make people think the /thf is doing more damage, but even his normal hits were really great. Since all axe WSs end up doing the same damage for me (gale, smash, and avalanche, anyway) opening fragmentation with smash axe was an easy choice. When you see the mob's HP drop that much - even crabs - you know /thf can't be that bad.

[Demus]

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From personal experience, a WAR/NIN can start out-parsing a WAR/THF at Lv43, but only with dual C.C. Axe+2s. From 50-54 a WAR/NIN can take advantage of Dual Wield II and off-handing a T.M. Espadon for some extra DoT, but still won't touch a WAR/THF in spike damage.

I say you should keep your THF and NIN subs leveled, as well as your Axe and Great Axe skills. From 60-64 you'll be a DRK and SAM's best friend for Skillchaining if you have Raging Rush, and even afterwards you can still do Frag with a SAM.

[NeoSuplex]

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I've been doing WAR/THF and more recently WAR/DRG up to 37 and I still have yet to be outdone by a /NIN.

[Lmnop]

Re: WAR/THF Your takes?

From personal experience, a WAR/NIN can start out-parsing a WAR/THF at Lv43, but only with dual C.C. Axe+2s. From 50-54 a WAR/NIN can take advantage of Dual Wield II and off-handing a T.M. Espadon for some extra DoT, but still won't touch a WAR/THF in spike damage.

I really didnt' start doing war/thf in parties 'til 42. The damage difference is obscene. In fact, I also did war/nin with Greataxe a lot in these levels and didn't really notice a drop in damage. Granted, I didn't have a parser then but I think, in general, Greataxe is too good to say that /nin will outdo it.

Of course, as I noted, there are times when being /nin is very useful, pure DD aside.