Gods

[Eurynomus]

Here's something I've been wondering...since my LS has decided to do some God runs pretty regularly it seems.

What's the best strategy pre 74 as a warrior on Gods?

Spirit's Within Whore?
or would SA Steel Cyclone be viable?



How bout post 74?

Viable tank?
Spirits/Steel Cyclone?

I'm guessing non-tank case, using sleeping potions and opo-opo necklace for tp would be best?

Any input?

It seems a few strategies i've seen for Gods is to not give them any tp at all...so that means no going DD the whole time.....is this best?

[Russta]

Pre 74 - sub Thief and whore Steel cyclone.
Post 74 - either the same thing or tank with Dual March and Haste.

[Uroboros]

Re: Gods

Originally posted by Eurynomus
It seems a few strategies i've seen for Gods is to not give them any tp at all...so that means no going DD the whole time.....is this best?

Meh, the TP argument is so blown out of proportion. On some NMs yeah you'll notice a difference (Charybdis, Fafnir, uh, that's about it) if you have tons of melees whacking at them, but most HNMs have auto TP generation anyways. I died tanking Seiryu once when he did, upon popping (and right after I voked him), Dread Shriek, Fang Rush, Fang Rush.

So anyways don't worry about TP. If your LS will let you, as 75 WAR with good gear and Sushi you can melee just fine, and nothing beats SATA Steel Cyc except SATA Souleater Spiral Hell.

[kumaeru]

A war/nin can solo tank Genbu and Suzaku easily. It's the fast hitting gods that are a problem most of the time. Seiryu and Byakko. Seiryu could take down Utsu fast and Fang Rush you to the ground. And Byakko just attacks fast.

I wonder though;

I have yet to get Steel Cyclone with Drk yet, but which would be more powerful SATA Souleater Spiral Hell or SATA Souleater Steel Cyclone. Drk's I believe have a B+ or B in greataxe.

[kisada]

I'm wondering that myself, slowly tryin to get my gax up. If I ever get it I'll reply here.

[ZQM]

A JP WAR friend of mine says Spiral Hell is stronger then Steel Cyclone for WAR. So I'd imagien Spiral Hell would be way better then Steel Cyclone for DRK.

Still 40 points away from getting Spiral Hell though to try myself ><

[kisada]

hmm, well recently i've been looking for ways to try and max out my dmg on tiamat.

from what i hear from others (assuming we discount the possibility of exaggeration anyway), steel cyclone seems to do 1K dmg every time.

with 200-300 TP spin slash, fairly decent gear, and str etudes i usually could only hit 900ish, 1k once with souleater. so i figure even with 300 TP i'll at least be doing the same or more dmg (assuming that there is no exaggeration from those accounts).

as far as spiral hell, i don't know if its a gear problem or not but i couldn't do much with it at all. my first one with souleater and 300 TP, was pathetic, like 700 dmg or something. that said i was using martial scythe and no etudes but i was expecting something closer to 1k lol

[Russta]

Steel Cyclone: 1.50 1.75 3.00 ~ STR 50%, VIT 50%
Spiral Hell: 1.375 1.875 3.625 ~ STR 50% INT 50%

For arguments sake lets say Dark Knight has A+ in Great Axe, the chance of it doing more damage than Steel Cyclone is logistically impossible. Even with a slightly higher modifier at 100% TP the gap in VIT and INT for a Dark Knight would ensure it doesn't matter.

Still, knowing how utterly random this game is sometimes I'll be waiting for a screenshot to prove me wrong

[kisada]

Yeah, funny thing russta, since I was just looking at those numbers, it seems so strange that my dmg would be inferior with the scythe. still, I didn't really use the scythe all that much. I should have brought a death scythe, and maybe tried some other things.

Another thing I was thinking, since SC and SS have the same dmg modifiers I might find more use for SC since the base dmg of byakko's axe is much higher than that of the highest gsd, the balin's.

Anyone know if the weapon damage gap would be bigger than the rating gap? At least enough to justify gax over gsd?

[Izual]

Originally posted by kisada
hmm, well recently i've been looking for ways to try and max out my dmg on tiamat.

from what i hear from others (assuming we discount the possibility of exaggeration anyway), steel cyclone seems to do 1K dmg every time.

with 200-300 TP spin slash, fairly decent gear, and str etudes i usually could only hit 900ish, 1k once with souleater. so i figure even with 300 TP i'll at least be doing the same or more dmg (assuming that there is no exaggeration from those accounts).

as far as spiral hell, i don't know if its a gear problem or not but i couldn't do much with it at all. my first one with souleater and 300 TP, was pathetic, like 700 dmg or something. that said i was using martial scythe and no etudes but i was expecting something closer to 1k lol

I've observed this odd behavior with spiral hell as well, in many different instances. I believe there is some sort of 'resist factor' with spiral hell related to the level and stats of your opponent (there's that randomness for ya Russta :p). It's the only theory I can come up with that explains hitting seriyu for 1100 one time and 1900 the next under the exact same conditions, the 1st one was 'resisted' (for lack of a better word) while the 2nd one hit full power.

As for Tiamat, try swapping in some strength gear. I've experimented a lot with my setup for Tiamat, I'm currently at the point where I'm averaging 900-1100 spin slash at 100 tp and 1100-1400 with 300 tp.

[kisada]

lol yeah I can definitely agree with the randomness thing.

On the normal gods my worst spirals were 800, but always 800 and nothing else. Then every other time I'd hit a much higher number, so I always figured there was some kind of "resist" factor, like you say.

As far as the STR swapping... Right now I use pretty much the normal stuff (STR rings/belt/helm) and three adaman pieces for ws. I was planning on grabbing some heca, but I haven't had a chance to get the proper abjurations. What does your gear look like when you swap in?

[kumaeru]

Originally posted by Izual
I've observed this odd behavior with spiral hell as well, in many different instances. I believe there is some sort of 'resist factor' with spiral hell related to the level and stats of your opponent (there's that randomness for ya Russta :p). It's the only theory I can come up with that explains hitting seriyu for 1100 one time and 1900 the next under the exact same conditions, the 1st one was 'resisted' (for lack of a better word) while the 2nd one hit full power.

As for Tiamat, try swapping in some strength gear. I've experimented a lot with my setup for Tiamat, I'm currently at the point where I'm averaging 900-1100 spin slash at 100 tp and 1100-1400 with 300 tp.

Oh yea man I can agree with the whole resist thing. It's so weird and infuriating at the same time.

My gear "swap in" when doing WS is AF Helm (4 str +5% souleater bonus), Spike Necklace, Alkyoneous Bracelets, Warwolf, Str rings, Adm Hauberk, Amemits+1.

I have yet to get heca cap abjuration, and I want to make cap before I make the feet. I have no need to make the hands with Alkyoneous. Foragers mantle on Midgard are at 3mil, and I dont want to pay the price for 2 amemits+1 for 1 more Str.

Actually... I just thought of something:
Since Spiral Hell is STR/INT based maybe adding +Int might reduce the chance of "resist" for the WS.

[CarbonFibre]

I observed similar things about weaponskill "resists" when I was killing a bunch of Goblins in Beaucedine Glacier. I used Tachi: Koki a few times and got 700+ damage with only 100% tp while other times it would be around 300. Koki is light elemental damage and goblins are weak to light, so maybe that's why I got that damage occasionally. I could also swear I did extra damage more often on Reapers (DRK job). I mostly used Yukkikaze though. I could use like a 10 or 20 hit weaponskill or something for farming/soloing :p alla Penta Thrust, Guillotine, Asuran Fists, etc.

[kisada]

Kuma, I kinda suspected it had to do with a STR vs VIT check, and hadn't really considered an INT vs INT check. The next time I can test it, I'll try using the AF2 +8 int gloves, rather than adaman mufflers. If what you say turns out to be true, then I think I'd see a difference in success vs resist.

Will try to let people know how it works.

[l)@RK-l)EVIL]

I agree there is some kind of resist
i cant explain why i do sometimes 600~ spiral hell with 300tp! vs byakko my damage vs him most of time 1400~
but sometimes i see 600.. or 700 lol