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**ZQM** · 04-19-2005, 10:38 AM

A WAR tank is only as good as the support he gets. I neglect a lot of deffensive things like DEF, VIT, and Haste, but that's because I put a lot of trust into my mages to March/Haste/Cure/Stun. Instead I do a lot more offensive things because it allows me to hold better hate. Other then that, it just comes down to casting Utsusemi.

**Enoki1** · 04-19-2005, 11:53 PM

I use to tank the sky Gods with similar equipment to your second list of what your trying to upgrade to. Add in Genbu Hat and Seiryu Kotes, those are good for tanking situations. But I haven't really tanked with war since that shield patch thing. The shield patch like a few months ago made it so when you block with your shield you don't save your blinks any more. Using the shield and the earth staff was the way to tank those sky nms as war/nin with brd giving you all the haste songs. Swap between the shield and earth staff depending on what is going on. If your getting hit switch to earth staff, if you have your blinks up switch to shield. Overall this method of tanking is history for war/nin else a war/nin with good shield skill is an excellent tank using this strategy. A level 69 nin/war can tank way better than a 75 war/nin since the shield adjustment. Before a level 75 war/nin blink tanking was way more effective. I tank the stuff with nin now, war/nin is just too painful since the shield adjustment. Don't feel bad about not being able to tank war/nin now, I personally don't think it's effective any more but can work if all else fails.

**Uroboros** · 04-20-2005, 05:48 AM

Warrior tanking isn't really about gear. You are only as good as your support as Nny said. My LS doesn't really have a lot of stunners or reliable ones and not much consistent SMN support (we use SMN as DD) but what I do have is some healers I trust in any situation and I nearly never go without Haste/double March. What this means is that I go all out on hate and just trust them to keep me going and they always do. The only time I die tanking HNMs is when HNMs hit their "Kill Tank" buttons. Don't make the mistake of thinking losing to a Kill Tank button makes you a bad tank, most HNMs have things they can do that will lay anyone flat (Byakko's Diaga 3 > triple attack > Razor Fang, Seiryu's Dread Shriek > Fang Rush > Fang Rush, even Genbu can Poisonga 2 > double attack > Tortoise Stomp). The question is do you live the rest of the time, and keep hate.

It's more about surrounding yourself with competent people and then just going nuts on hate, I think, than trying to gear for damage mitigation. I wear very offensive-oriented setups on almost everything, eat Sushi, keep Aggressor up, etc. Yeah sometimes I need a Cure V or two, but WAR always will, we're not PLDs. The question isn't whether you get the shit knocked out of you, it's whether you lose hate. The way I play and with my support, I only lose hate towards the very end of fights if the rangers are being frisky.

If you'd like to make sky gods stupid easy then duo tank with another WAR/NIN or NIN/WAR, get a BRD to double March you, and have a SMN or two rotate Earthen Ward.

On shields - um, I've never used a shield because they block anything, I just use a Koenig Shield sometimes for the +3 enmity and +5 or whatever VIT. On nearly all HNMs I use sword/axe because I don't think taking slightly less damage with Earth Staff is worth the far lower hate it generates being swung than real weapons. Only on Byakko do I feel an Earth Staff is still sometimes necessary, on everything else including Kirin and land HNMs I don't feel it's needed. Maybe I'll trot it out soon on COP dragons, I can see it being nice there. I tanked just fine before shield change, I don't even know what the shield change was, and I still tank fine now.

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