something that's been on my mind (/mnk)

[l33t_c0w]

It seems like nobody takes wars seriously as tanks. And if anyone will tolerate a warrior tanking, they want them to be war/nin. ninja is such a popular and damned trendy sub... it drives me nuts. Wasn't war/mnk once the standard for tanking? Back before the ninjas, with omgtwo weapons, and before the paladins. (was there a 'before-paladin' time?)

So, is war/mnk no longer a viable tank because standards have risen and you just can't get the same kind of exp with them, or is it because people are all a bunch of jackass-morons? (my ferverent hope)

I really *want* warrior/monks to be good. Because, it's like they're the original tanks... and they aren't accepeted with mindless popularity.

... maybe I still haven't gotten over the whole dual-wielding-lightsabres thing from KotOR :sweat: (but come on. two lightsabres? what in gods name... :mad: )

please note: this is coming from a career blm at merely level 38. so if i don't know what i'm talking about... you'll understand why. eheh..

[Alauna]

1) WAR/NIN dont make viable tanks untill 74/37, and Utsusemi: Ni
Untill then, they are Heavy DD, Dual-Wielding 1h-axe (or just a GAXE).

I can't really say i've seen too many war/mnk post 30-35, but I do run across a few, from time to time.

1~35, WAR makes an excelnt Tank, but after 35/40, when you start getting to the mobs that hit harder, and (good) fights last longer, WAR just doesnt have enough to keep up. That's where PLD's excessive Defence, and NIN's shadows keep up. Around that time, is where WAR tends to focus more on ATT and ACC, and becomes a Heavy DD.

[Mephisto]

WAR/NIN is a fine tank at mid lvls >.> Just need the right gear and PT setup

[Lmnop]

Just tanked as war/mnk today in QC, getting chain #5s. Got me 51 and almost 52. Just need a whm and a back up healer (smn or rdm... if brd you may as well be /nin).

That do anything for ya?

[ZQM]

Originally posted by Alauna
1) WAR/NIN make the best tank before 74/37 in the right setup

Fixed it for you.


Sadly, I don't have much experience at all with WAR/MNK, but it does look really fun. Dunes was real fun with Counter and Boost, be fun to do it again.

I believe Russta tanked a lot as WAR/MNK 70+ and had good results, I think I recall reading a post made from him about it.

[Alauna]

I'm sorry, but am i missing something?? what does a WAR/MNK hae to maintain hate, after Provoke? Boost?? Warcry?? Berserk?! (i hope not)??

And if they are the "Best" (in certain setups) why dont we see more of them?

[kazuri]

You know... everything varies on stuff. -o-
WAR/NIN could be better on certain occassions (not better against multi-attacking things, for instance) where as WAR/MNK could be better, etc whatever.

WAR/MNK will have more power over WAR/NIN in terms of ATK and STR I believe, because MNK is higher rank then NIN in those, and WAR also gains Boost, Counter, Focus, and Dodge with MNK sub, pretty good abilites to get hate... a few Subtle Blow and MaxHP+ job traits are there too, not so bad.

Again.. it all depends on what type of stuff you're up against, no?

[ZQM]

Originally posted by Alauna
I'm sorry, but am i missing something?? what does a WAR/MNK hae to maintain hate, after Provoke? Boost?? Warcry?? Berserk?! (i hope not)??

I was actually talking about WAR/NIN. Berserk is actually a big point of keeping hate. It adds a good boost in damage. Doing amongst the top damage in the party is how you keep hate.

And if they are the "Best" (in certain setups) why dont we see more of them?

1) 90%+ people don't know what WAR is capable so they don't invite them. And that's because...

2) Most WARs suck.

[Mephisto]

because you and your PT both have to know how to play. WAR/NIN requires haste and a BRD, but WAR/NIN can tank AND play DD at the same time, keep hate similar to a ninja in terms of DOT.

The reason you dont see many, is not many are capable of playing that way, and if they are, the PT isnt willing/doesnt know how to D;

[Dragon Ghost]

I was actually considering this not too long ago, but a WAR/MNK could be excellent in ballista & for other purposes.

Pro: You get dodge, counter, and tons of other goodies, and a very nice HP boost.
Con: no dual wield or utsusemi

Now, what im planning to do is get a few things, some ive already obtained for "regan" with this massive HP.
Muscle Belt+1 Supposly kicks in at half HP
Hercules Ring Kicks in at Yellow HP
Rune Axe Regen & +5 atk, need an MP item~
so for the rune axe, I was thinking I could use Kirins Osode which gives 30 MP, so it could supply that. If you dont have anyways too obtain a Kirins Osode you could always pick up a cheap +MP item, only con is you'd lose a equipment slot.

Now, you always have the option too get HP boosting items, or whatever you want. But when I hit 75 too test this out, im going all out on HP & VIT / STR / DEX. Im not sure how this would work, but please dont flame me.

[ZQM]

Hercules Ring Kicks in at Yellow HP
Rune Axe Regen & +5 atk, need an MP item~

Hercules ring is 50% HP.

Rune Axe, you NEED MP for it to be active. As in, you can be 0/30 for MP and have the latent. You would need refresh to keep the regen.

[Ashtyr]

I'm curious as to what equipment is required for WAR/NIN to tank effectively.

[Sadeira]

Originally posted by ZQM
Rune Axe, you NEED MP for it to be active. As in, you can be 0/30 for MP and have the latent. You would need refresh to keep the regen.

that would piss off any non static rdm if they had to refresh a warrior...

[Dragon Ghost]

Hercules Ring adds refresh.

[Rico]

Damn I so agree with you l33t_c0w. Now warriors HAVE to sub nin (_ _) I mean I was looking forward to becoming a WAR/NIN. I remember people saying in this forum saying the reason they become a WAR/NIN was because the axes will give status effects to the mob...


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