Harness or Hauber :x

[kumaeru]

This is basically for exp PT's and such:

I have had almost every war I know tell me harness is such a waste for war, and yet I still see war's wearing it.

I do know the +evasion on harness isnt very helpful but when say someone SATA onto the War it could help then having -10 or -20evasion from Haubergeon/hauberk, and also the -agi.


I'm a taru also if that matters :x cause for war seems like race does somewhat matter just a little for what kind of war you go. This question is mainly for the lvl 57-73 range when exping. Adm Hauberk at 73 and Osode at 75.. koenigs like.. never ; ;.

[LadyPeorth]

It depends. If you see yourself tanking, grab the Harness. If you wanna deal damage, grab a Haubergeron. If you wanna do both...get to farming and get both.

I myself see Harness as more of a status symbol than anything else. It's like a peacock charm and basically says "Look at me...I'm super rich"

[fuz]

I think it's a waste. War will never accumulate enough evasion gear to make it worth sacrificing def, attack, and haste gears.

Ninja evasion is just barely acceptable--evades enough damage to offset the higher damage taken when hit. I don't think a war can ever reach that point unless fighting things well below his level. So really, why bother getting some 5mil gear to fight weak stuff better? I'd rather gear up with more damage and more haste. Maybe adaman (tank) armor for hardcore tanking; closest thing to an effective pld/nin you can get...

I'm certain there are some harder mobs that have horrible accuracy, especially coupled with lots of debuffs. However it's not really enough to warrant a SH unless you've practically got too much gil to spend and want to experiment with it. I've tried it on my drk at 66 with capped evade, and really... the +10 evade is not noticealbe on anything over decent challenge with a crappy C rank evasion rating.

[kumaeru]

Originally posted by LadyPeorth
I myself see Harness as more of a status symbol than anything else. It's like a peacock charm and basically says "Look at me...I'm super rich"

>_< Im saving for charm actually :x Cause I need accuracy boosts if I sacrifice accuracy from other slots and replace for more dmg for drk: ie. Alk bracelets and Warwolf belt means no Lifebelt and no +accuracy gloves (thick/adaman mufflers).

And Harness is back at 7mil on midgard lol... but yea I was basically thinking the same. Just wanted to see if there was actually a use for harness other than things below lvl or farming etc.

[Russta]

I can't believe you even asked this... Haubergeon!!

[Ivadell]

BYRNIE!!!!!!

[Pounce]

R.K. chainmail for teh win

[Taurius]

If for 1 second you believe as a WAR you'll evade much even with full EVADE gear on ITs, you'll be sorry you ever played WAR. Waist of gill and att/acc/str/def. Even if you had a macro set for changing gear when you took hate, it's still not effective to prevent getting hit. The only form of dodging skills a war needs to increase is Parry. It's insane how hard it is to raise it, but even at 156 now, I parry often enough on VT/ITs to help with tanking.
I've tanked from level 62 on, subbing NIN. With a great WHM, tanking even without Utsusemi Ni is easy as a WAR. It's teamwork intensive, but when my pt does chain 6 280+ exp consistantly with the WHM still having 300+ mp at the end, shows you how well a ATT/ACC centric war can be as a tank.
So screw SH and other bs gear for leveling PTs. Just keep up on ATT/ACC gear and AF just for back up. It's only when doing HNMs does full tanking gear is a must. That's only when your LS trusts you as a tank. Otherwise sub RNG, Range ACC gear, and poke them with a bow and do Sidewinder /joking

[kumaeru]

Well yea thanks for the responses :x

I came up with another dilema if you will..

What would be more ideal setup: One with Peacock charm and Thick Mufflers/Tarasque/Adaman Mufflers. (Havent gotten E. Abjuration hands from fafnir ; ; )

Or

One with Alkyoneous Bracelets and not sure... Royal Gaurd Collar I guess.. :x

I'm starting to my bracelets and working enough gil for peacock charm is hard when it's now at 15ish mil. At the same time someone is trying to buy my alky's for close to 8mil cause seems like I'm the only one he knows that could potentially sell one XD.


war/nin still rock on hnm XD when tanking go all +vit

[Taurius]

In TP mode, ACC/ATT gear.
In WS mode, STR/ACC gear.

Most of our weapon skills have STR as it's main modifier. Especially if you're going to sub /thf and do sa/ta Steel Cyclone, does going all out on STR is a must for WS mode.

Macro your equipments ^^

But if I had to choose one set, go with Alk. Bracelets and RGC

[kumaeru]

Well i'm coming from a 75 drk.. I know the routine lol.

But it's to my understanding that War doesnt need as much accuracy as Drk. 528 delay scythe is orz ; ;.. but even then with 269 skill (no merits in it yet :x) and about +62 accuracy I can hit fairly well.

More recently I've been experimenting with Dex rings and warwolf belt and alky's full time and not solely for WS. I can make up for the -6dex from alky's easily due to the +10 from adaman hauberk and +5 from warwolf. As war I would be using a similar setup to this. But as so I am thinking that I will still need some accuracy boosts and to get the most possible in specific slots to better efficiency.

My endgame setup for war:

Woodvilles / Jugger (8mil for jugger now -.-;;;;;;; )
Optical hat / Adaman Celata
Adaman Hauberk / Osode
Amemits Mantle / Foragers maybe when price lowers a bit from more people doing ENM's
Peacock Charm
Alkyoneous Bracelets
Warwolf Belt
Boomerang (the upgraded CP one that has +accuracy in nation zones or something) or Bomb Core / Lightning Bow+1
Assault Earring / Soupanomimi
2x Thunder Rings
Byakko's Haidate
Adaman Sollerets


I used to macro my Drk equipments then just started balancing it out and not using equip changes. Spending 6mil on alky's is harsh when you only use it on WS. It does give a good boost in dot though.


Are War WS' like Mistral / Steel Cyclone solely Str based? Or is there a 2nd stat like how Spinslash is Str and Int based. It's funny how some drks still keep Adaman Mufflers on when doing Spinslash not knowing that -10Int is lowering their WS dmg.

[Rodin]

70+ Not many mobs are IT now (not sure about the CoP areas) So you wouldn't need to boost your accuracy super high (why most WARs boost strength 70+) If you're needing accuracy though, you're more likely to be dealing damage, so in that case, hauberk is better. Anyways, by looking at your end-game equip, I'd say save the 4-5mil, and keep that towards the peacock charm or something.

[Uroboros]

Originally posted by kumaeru
war/nin still rock on hnm XD when tanking go all +vit

I don't use that much +vit, I go for +haste and +enmity more than anything and still wear a lot of attacking gear. But this is the nicest thing about WAR, there are many ways to skin the um, warrior cat. Yeah.

Oh and Haubergeon/Hauberk! Scorp and Byrnie are dumb NIN armor!

For Steel Cyclone 50% of your STR and VIT stats are figured into the WS's damage and it's very noticeable. Nny has posted a more thorough breakdown elsewhere either here or on KI. Mistral Axe um, I dunno, I think it's just STR, I never used it a whole lot. Decimation/Rampage I have no idea, because these skills are like Raging Rush: who cares what the multiplier stat is, you need to boost ACC above all other things. Having all the STR on earth won't help them do well when you have hits missing (Raging is 3, Deci is 3, Rampage is 5, add a hit to Deci/Rampage if subbing NIN).

As for accuracy and ideal setup concerns: endgame WAR is incredibly lenient for DD. Even before sushi it was lenient because Aggressor is way too good, but after sushi...popping Aggressor and eating sushi lets you hit anything just as often or more often than anyone else, even without much ACC gear, including HNMs.

[-=d0rk=-]

Originally posted by Uroboros
For Steel Cyclone 50% of your STR and VIT stats are figured into the WS's damage and it's very noticeable. Nny has posted a more thorough breakdown elsewhere either here or on KI. Mistral Axe um, I dunno, I think it's just STR, I never used it a whole lot. Decimation/Rampage I have no idea, because these skills are like Raging Rush: who cares what the multiplier stat is, you need to boost ACC above all other things. Having all the STR on earth won't help them do well when you have hits missing (Raging is 3, Deci is 3, Rampage is 5, add a hit to Deci/Rampage if subbing NIN).

Well, I found the thread with the information in it.

Originally posted by imac2much
1H Axe WS 100% 200% 300% #Hits Secondary Attribute TP Adjustment
Raging Axe 1.00 1.50 2.00 2x STR_30%
Smash Axe 1.00 1x STR_30% More stun
Gale Axe 1.50 2.00 2.50 1x STR_30% More choke
Avalanche Axe 2.00 2.50 3.00 1x STR_35%
Spinning Axe 1.00 1x STR_30%
Rampage 0.50 5x STR_30% Crit Chance
Mistral Axe 2.50 3.00 3.50 1x STR_50%
Calamity 1.00 1.50 4.00 1x STR_32%, VIT_32%
Decimation 1.00 3x STR_50% Accuracy

Great Axe WS 100% 200% 300% #Hits Secondary Attribute TP Adjustment
Shield Break 1.00 1x STR_20%, VIT_20% More Evade Down
Iron Tempest 1.00 1x STR_30%
Sturmwind 1.00 2x STR_30%
Armor Break 1.00 1x STR_20%, VIT_20% More Def Down
Keen Edge 1.00 1x STR_35% Crit Rate
Weapon Break 1.00 1x STR_32%, VIT_32% More ATK Down
Raging Rush 1.00 1.50 2.50 3x STR_35%
Full Break 1.00 1x STR_50%, VIT_50% More Stat Down
Steel Cyclone 1.50 1.75 3.00 1x STR_50%, VIT_50%

[Americayankee]

I use Alky bracelets/ Spike Necklace... but then again i'm a STR whore lol.. I have ryl guard collar for sometimes too, although i've never really needed the acc in 73+ exp pts. Once you hit 73+ your a lot more free to switch out accuracy gear for str/dex/attack... Thought I was wondering why you decided to use Thunder rings over Flame rings Kumaeru?