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  • #16
    I'd explain it to you... but obviously you are a nub. I hope you enjoy hurting the reputation of the warrior job!

    Wait... I'm bored, I will explain it to you.

    Playing style? Monks are only used as DD, Warriors transit from tanks, to DD, to a bit in between.
    Up to level 30, monks actually tank better than warriors or PLDs if they gear for it. It's a well known fact that boost + Provoke is more hate than anyone would ever need, and a monk's extra VIT, evasion, counter and HP are obvious. Defensively speaking, armor doesn't truly seperate itself enough to really matter. Harness line armors are still decent for tanking, and there is no "Heavy Armor" in the game yet. What I've stated here is fact, not opinion. Monks tend NOT to tank in these levels because most people that play monk perfer to DD.

    Come level thirty, monk gain access to warrior subjob berserk and really should be DDs instead of tanks. Armor seperates itself into damage gear and tanking gear in a lot of places.

    Monks spends most of his EXP career as a DD, but come level 70 no one can stop a monk from damage tanking at least some times. My static PLD flat out refuses to try and tank over me on tough mobs, and depending on the mob, sometimes not even VTs (pots and bones). Why? because it's faster to let me just attack and cover me on occasion than it is for me to hold back. I have 3/5 of the god gear pieces so my VIT is about 100, my evasion is very high (around 270, that's about 40 points above PLD and War), my HP is pushing 1900, I have dodge to enhance my evasion, and my DEF isn't too shabby either. Defender if I'm feeling like it.

    When farming Aura Pots in Sky for god spawn items I deal about 110-140 damage a fist on a non-crit, my weaponskills consistently deal 1000+ and I've hit 1600 with dragon kick when a bard is in my PT. I can deal about 700+ damage a non-weaponskilled round on those if I have a 5-hitter. My delay is very low between attacks because of my martial arts skill and haste from brown belt and Byakko's Haidate.

    So anyways... Yes, I tank quite often at level 75. There's simply no way around it. I hope you notice a parrallel here between what happens a monk and warrior level up. Tank >> DD >> tank/DD. And before you ask... Yes, people would allow me to tank on a merit points run on any mob I can think of except maybe aura statues. I'm ok with that. Some people don't like it when PLDs tank those.

    As far as style goes, mnk/war and war/nin both are multiple hit per round DD's that have heavy damage multi-hit weaponskills. Warriors wear heavier armor, and monks have much more defense based skills. Both are DoT job combinations as opposed to Burst damage jobs. Both are fast attackers.

    If you don't see the resemblence in style between these two jobs, or how well they work in a high level party together... then you sir, are a total nub. You should respect your monk brethren because they are mirror images of the job you have so much love for... yet seemingly don't understand.

    Judging by the comments you have made about monk, it's pretty obvious that you have no high level experience with monk =or= warrior. My warrior is level 57, my monk is 75. Some how I feel that I'm probably more able to discuss the similarities of the two jobs than you will =ever= be.

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    • #17
      Originally posted by Voila!
      How is warrior a monk that tanks. That's the worst comparison I've ever heard while playing FFXI. If you can't tell the differences between the two classes you need a lot of help. Warriors are much more powerful then monks, and will continue to be so. Just because you leeched EXP from parties until you started fighting bones doesn't make you important in any way. Being a tank, and being the one who takes hits is an important job in a party.

      Thanks for creating our common misconceptions that make warrior so hard to level. You've done a disservice to your society and you will always be remember for being an ass.
      in no way ar Wars more powerful than monks, you clearly havent partied with a monk that knows what hes doing.

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      • #18
        Halato: meet "Voila!", the black-hole of logic and argument. He had posts in the past that kept on going because of his great feats of flawed logic and undeniable "ubber" ability to... how can I put it... be a noob... troll... waste of time even talking and replying to...

        Sometimes its entertaining reading his posts... Just don't worry about what he says too much...
        Modnar

        Melee:
        43 Monk; 25 Warrior; 20 Theif; 10 Dragoon; 11 Dark Knight; 7 Ninja.

        Mage:
        55 Red Mage; 32 Black Mage; 27 White Mage.

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        • #19
          Originally posted by modnar
          Halato: meet "Voila!", the black-hole of logic and argument. He had posts in the past that kept on going because of his great feats of flawed logic and undeniable "ubber" ability to... how can I put it... be a noob... troll... waste of time even talking and replying to...

          Sometimes its entertaining reading his posts... Just don't worry about what he says too much...
          I'm a troll? You're worse then what you claim me to be.

          in no way ar Wars more powerful than monks, you clearly havent partied with a monk that knows what hes doing.
          Obviously you havn't made it past 30. Get back to the level grind dumbass.


          The fact is, if monks could tank effectively then they would. Nobody cares what your half-ass paladin will and will not do, it's obvious you need to replace him.

          Harness line armors are still decent for tanking, and there is no "Heavy Armor" in the game yet.
          Heavy armor would be anything a dragoon can't equip and isn't mnk/sam/nin exclusive. Silver chainmail is heavy, and I.M. is heavy just to name a few. These armors provide a great deal of defense over the far and few gi's they give monks.

          Monks spends most of his EXP career as a DD, but come level 70 no one can stop a monk from damage tanking at least some times. My static PLD flat out refuses to try and tank over me on tough mobs, and depending on the mob, sometimes not even VTs (pots and bones). Why?
          Because he's a total 'nub' as you call people. Don't let crappy tanks get to your head.

          As far as style goes, mnk/war and war/nin both are multiple hit per round DD's that have heavy damage multi-hit weaponskills. Warriors wear heavier armor, and monks have much more defense based skills. Both are DoT job combinations as opposed to Burst damage jobs. Both are fast attackers.
          As far as actual style goes, warrior has such a distinct play style because of their ability to meet the party's needs. They can sub thief to deal damage, sub monk to tank, or sub ninja to do a bit of both. Monks can sub warrior to deal damage pre-60, and then sub thief or warrior to deal damage after that. Not much of a difference in play style there, eh?

          So it's come down to a static DD waiting around Jeuno for hours competing with Drks and Sams and Thfs and whatnot for parties, or a dynamic player who can compete with plds and nins as well as the rest of the DDs. Once again, the difference in play style is so minimal you can barely see it, right?

          I've proved you wrong as far as play style goes. Have fun boosting up a storm just for a single chi blast. Calling me a nub really doesn't help your loosely based arguement on bad experiences and grudges. Just stick to monk and stop pretending you know anything about warrior.

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          • #20
            Originally posted by Voila!
            The fact is, if monks could tank effectively then they would. Nobody cares what your half-ass paladin will and will not do, it's obvious you need to replace him.

            Because he's a total 'nub' as you call people. Don't let crappy tanks get to your head.
            Feel free to get to 75 before you run your mouth. MNK/WAR hitting for 200~500 a combat round depending on kicks and double attacks, and doing it more quickly than any other job, is untankable endgame on less than VT. Just the same as WAR/NIN with an offhand Joyeuse or Ridill is. Just the same as when a NIN vokes and the mob never turns away from me and I didn't do anything but autoattack, the same thing happens sometimes when I voke and the mob's facing the monk. MNK makes a great tank on anything but HNMs that don't take physical damage well (e.g. gods, Fafnir/King Behemoth/Aspid) because they're going to tank anyway if they don't miss, and they don't miss on anything but what I listed in parentheses. Hell, half the time the MNKs I know sub NIN when not fighting HNMs now, because they know they're going to tank anyway.

            As far as MNK vs WAR goes, they are very even endgame depending on gear. MNK is better with more average gear, WAR needs amazing gear (Ridill, Haidate) to catch up. MNK can just put on some Vishnu Cesti and rock. On gods as DD both of them are basically 1k~1600 damage every three minutes so who cares, and WAR will tank sometimes and not do any damage.

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            • #21
              this is directed at Voila...






              SHUT... THE.. FUCK... UP..

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              • #22
                Originally posted by Voila!
                Obviously you havn't made it past 30. Get back to the level grind dumbass.
                I'n all fairness, you have't reached end game, or past 60 as far as we know
                There is no knowledge without experience.
                San dOria Rank4 \\ 30 WAR | 19 MNK | 14 RDM | 8 WHM | 13 BLM | 13 THF | 5 DRK | 10 RNG // Goldsmithing 10
                Windurst Rank4 // 46 WHM | 26 BLM | 20 RDM | 18 WAR \\ Alchemy 11 | Fishing 8

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by hoboman
                  this is directed at Voila...



                  SHUT... THE.. FUCK... UP..
                  GET... A... LIFE... TROLL...

                  As far as I can tell this is a forum of discussion, not random pethetic flames. If you have nothing to add to the discussion then put an egg in your shoe and beat it.

                  And on a different note, sub thief to monk if you're tired of tanking with it. You won't get all the attack bonuses for normal hits which attract the hate, and you'll get SATA so you can help the tank keep hate.

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                  • #24
                    This thread got hijacked so bad, and for that, I'm sorry. It basically went from a player saying they missed Great Axe to talking about monk and Viola's ignorance.

                    To the original poster, I apologize.

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                    • #25
                      Yes, the thread has gotten hijack. Closed.
                      To the orginal poster: try to start a new, clean thread.

                      Warning points have been handed out.

                      -lieb39

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