The taru tank. (rant-ish)

[ZQM]

Originally posted by Gryff
*_*

Like I said, I've been exping there for a while and will be for a bit longer, Only taken two deadly holds, both for 400-500, and my defence is like 200 :/

My defense is something like ~160ish (Funny how a NIN tank has more DEF and VIT then a WAR tank ), got hit several times but only died once. That was only one of two times that I was hit for 1k+, other's were 400-500. Funny to laugh back on though.

One time though, we had a RNG/WAR....died 3 strait skillchains when doing Sidewinder > Dancing Edge. Mob turned to him right after Sidewinder and one-shotted him with Deadly Hold. :p

EDIT: Just to add, the RNG was a hume.

[flipmazzi]

I'm so angry I have to post again.

Exactly. When I tried to make this point, I was talking about lower levels. Yes, you'll find lots of newb taru tanks, and lots of newb other race tanks, but if you see a Taru tank, you're more likely to see someone who's either playing a second job, or someone who is determined to tank as a taru. Simply, there's just a higher chance at lower levels to see a taru decked out than a different tank decked out. I'm not saying that's how it always is, but if you're looking at two tanks LFP, one taru, one other, I'm going to pick the taru because chances are that taru is one of those determined ones. IMO, that would be a better fit for my party than a random newb who thinks his elvaan is 1337 and doesn't need gear.

My whole post was about not making dumb assumptions and here you go and make a stupid one.

"More likely to see someone who's either playing a second job, or someone who is determined to tank as a Taru."

Completely not true. Nothing about seeing a low level taru tank leads one to think that they are playing a second job. Using your same reasoning (which is completely arbitrary). I could say that its not only the taru's first job, but he is also a super noob and doesnt even realize that different races have different stats. In the same strain, nothing about seeing a Elvaan/Galka tank makes you think that they are noobs.
I judge a noob as:
1. someone who doesn't know their role in a party
2. someone who doesn't use macros
3. someone who doesn't know how to skillchain
4. someone who doesn't know how to "talk in blue"

There are several other things, but my point is, if you are going to judge noob status by race and job you need to be smacked.

There are more reasons to be a taru tank then trying to prove people wrong. People choose tarus because they are cute and fun. People pick melee because they like physical combat as opposed to magic. The beauty of this game is that it lets you do both. Also, if you main effort is to prove tarus can be good tanks, your efforts are futile, because every smart player knows this. (I have never said tarus are bad tanks, i only say they arent better than elvaan, you can check the whole thread for yourself if you wish.) The only players who won't acknowledge that tarus can tank are the ones you don't want to be partying with in the first place.
Now if you want to assume the Taru is determined because he's taru, you have to assume that the elvaan is determined because he's elvaan. It's the exact same logic. The only difference then, is skill. If you dare say that taru's are more likely to be skilled because they are Taru, you deserve to be smacked again.

Gryff's post has been the only good pro-taru post in a while. I know that all you deep inside realize that the only thing that makes a Taru tank good is the individual player's skill. As gryff said the margin of error is smaller, but skill is not something you can determine unless you have actually played with the person before. So why would you pick the player with the smaller margin of error? It just doesn't make sense.
Let me put it this way, I'll pick the Elvaan over the Taru everytime is all other known aspects are similar., But if the Taru is the only option, of course I'll pick him. I'm not some idiot who is going wait around for an elvaan or galka tank.

[Ozymandis]

This is just an aside but how does a manticore get your shadows down to actually hit you? I tanked one of those in Onzozo last week... after getting stuck with Hojo and Carnage Elegy its delay was like... 20 seconds

[ZQM]

Double attack + tail whip, you = fucked.

[Hisdon]

yeah, sometimes they'll double attack and take the shadows off, then wip out their WS

[AtraposBLM]

Re: I'm so angry I have to post again.

Originally posted by flipmazzi
My whole post was about not making dumb assumptions and here you go and make a stupid one.

"More likely to see someone who's either playing a second job, or someone who is determined to tank as a Taru."

Completely not true. Nothing about seeing a low level taru tank leads one to think that they are playing a second job. Using your same reasoning (which is completely arbitrary). I could say that its not only the taru's first job, but he is also a super noob and doesnt even realize that different races have different stats. In the same strain, nothing about seeing a Elvaan/Galka tank makes you think that they are noobs.
I judge a noob as:
1. someone who doesn't know their role in a party
2. someone who doesn't use macros
3. someone who doesn't know how to skillchain
4. someone who doesn't know how to "talk in blue"

There are several other things, but my point is, if you are going to judge noob status by race and job you need to be smacked.

There are more reasons to be a taru tank then trying to prove people wrong. People choose tarus because they are cute and fun. People pick melee because they like physical combat as opposed to magic. The beauty of this game is that it lets you do both. Also, if you main effort is to prove tarus can be good tanks, your efforts are futile, because every smart player knows this. (I have never said tarus are bad tanks, i only say they arent better than elvaan, you can check the whole thread for yourself if you wish.) The only players who won't acknowledge that tarus can tank are the ones you don't want to be partying with in the first place.
Now if you want to assume the Taru is determined because he's taru, you have to assume that the elvaan is determined because he's elvaan. It's the exact same logic. The only difference then, is skill. If you dare say that taru's are more likely to be skilled because they are Taru, you deserve to be smacked again.

Gryff's post has been the only good pro-taru post in a while. I know that all you deep inside realize that the only thing that makes a Taru tank good is the individual player's skill. As gryff said the margin of error is smaller, but skill is not something you can determine unless you have actually played with the person before. So why would you pick the player with the smaller margin of error? It just doesn't make sense.
Let me put it this way, I'll pick the Elvaan over the Taru everytime is all other known aspects are similar., But if the Taru is the only option, of course I'll pick him. I'm not some idiot who is going wait around for an elvaan or galka tank.

Learn to read, as you missed my point entirely. I was talking about statistics - as in, the chance of getting a dedicated taru is higher than getting a dedicated elvaan tank. Why? Because simply put, there are MORE elvaan tanks than taru tanks. Why? Because new players tend not to pick taru and tank, because of all the anti-taru melee things that have been posted in the past. Not only that, Brady games strategy guide advises against it. So, the majority of new players that want to attempt tanking are choosing non-taru races. Therefore, you have a higher percentage of people who are choosing taru as a tanking race *on purpose*. That means, there is a higher % of skilled taru players - there might actually be *less* skilled taru players than elvaans, but if you have 100 elvaan tanks, 10 of whom are skilled, and 15 taru tanks, 8 of whom are skilled...which has the higher percentage of good players?


I'm simply saying that imo, if faced between the choice of picking 2 war's, who appear equal in /sea (as in, both have subjobs, both are similiar rank, and both have similiar comments), I'm going to pick the taru, simply because I'm counting on simple statistics to give me a dedicated player. IMO, regardless of race, if I get a dedicated player, that will benefit me much more than if I get an ideal race. That's all I'm saying.

[kumaeru]

Re: Re: I'm so angry I have to post again.

Originally posted by AtraposBLM
Brady games strategy guide advises against it.

I can't believe people read that crap ~_~;


Atra remember when me and rup tanked in our valkurm pt? XD

we rocked.. all taru PT, with only Rdm healing and most of the time 5 members.


Thing is when a taru melee/tank is put up against other people in trying to find a PT he better be good enough to have that PT ask him to PT again in the future. Idiocy isn't based on level, I've seen quite a few lvl 70+ that have no clue what they are doing.

Determination and the want to be better given a slight disadvantage which others may take out of proportion makes someone better.

There are fewer taru melee/tanks but those that are high leveled taru melee/tanks are recognized by others as having to go through the game in this situation.

Viva Taru~

[CarbonFibre]

Newbies can be at any level in these days of account selling

[flipmazzi]

LMAO Atra, you said it yourself. There are more skilled elvaan tanks than Taru tanks.

Also you have ridiculous bias. You're saying that only 10% of elvaan tanks are skilled, where as more than 50% of the tarus are skilled. I'm sick of people like you, giving so much credit to Taru, but none to elvaan.

Yet still, I look like it this way, using your same numbers. 18 skilled tanks out of 115 players. More than half of the skilled tanks are elvaan.

I'm not even going to mention the fact that you ignore my whole argument and bring up no counterpoints. Oh wait I just did. I'll post them again so you can have another chance.

1. You're picking based on assumptions which are not legit.
2. Taru tanks have a lower margin of error, therfore there is a higher risk factor when picking a Taru tank.
3. Players is this game must have skill to be good. You are assuming that because a player is Taru tank he must be more skillful than an elvaan tank. It is easier to tank as an Elvaan. One can do the same jjob with less effort, and a better job with the same amount of effort. I'll say it again, every good Taru tank you see would be an even better tank were he elvaan.

Do you also pick elvaan/galka mages over taru ones?
Based on yout arguments, thats what you should be doing.

The only fair way to judge this argument is to evaluate tanks on an individual basis. Just because you run into one good Taru tank does not mean the rest are good, and just because you run into 5 bad elvaan tanks means that they are all bad. In reality when you are picking between a Taru and an elvaan in /sea it is a 50-50 chance everytime. I personally always pick the elvaan becuase of reason number 2 above.

[flipmazzi]

Determination and the want to be better given a slight disadvantage which others may take out of proportion makes someone better.

This argument for Tarus being better tanks because they have to "work harder" is absolute BS.

Also this stuff about Tarus having a "chip on their shoulder" because they are the minority of tanks is also BS.

Thank you for letting me repeat myself. You can read the rest of the post for yourself.

[Ariagiovanni]

I don't know why you guys even let people like Voila get to you.. his signature says he's a 35THF. How could he possibly know anything?

[Voila!]

I guess I'll change that to 75 so you'll all believe whatever I say.

[Moo]

Maybe, in the time you take to get to level 75, you will have finally gotten a clue.

[Cali]

Just put a GM picture in your sig, Voila. And watch the world bow to your power... funny how people think something in-game is so important, ie the Levels...

So.. er.. This thread.. mm.. went on for 10+ pages talking about 'Taru can tank!', and 'Taru can't tank!'? O.o;; Gee.. I thought people past 30, should already be settled with the idea of Skill > equip > race...

Of course, if an elvaan tank and a taru tank is avaliable, elvaan does have an advantage, that's how the races are designed, just like how taru has an advantage on mages compare to other races... but that doesn't mean taru cannot tank ever... afterall, I prefer galka tank, because based on my PERSONAL experience, galka players are more mature ^^

[Ariagiovanni]

Galka PLD's can also cure themselves once, as opposed to the taru who can cure themselves many many times.