The taru tank. (rant-ish)

[dirtyclown]

people like Voila make Lenny sad. T_T

i have mad respect for anyone that can tank anything alot bigger than they are. i got to see a Taru tank king behemoth the other day, it was so cool.

[Cali]

Below 70 or not doesn't mean you are newbie or godly or whatever... It just a number in game, to be proud of such thing is pathetic to start with...

If taru can tank, they can tank all the way from 1-75, you don't need 70 lvls to realized that, if you do need that much time, you are... a little too... 'smart' :angel:
And the fact is, taru can tank, just like galka can be mages.

[JungBunny]

wow cali I'm sorry you cannot tell a joke

[neighbortaru]

the only thing I'd like to add to your last sentance Cali is, yes they can, but they need to work very hard at it.

[Jaggywaggy]

This argument for Tarus being better tanks because they have to "work harder" is absolute BS. Every solid played in this game wants to be the best they can be

He makes a good point. Alot of you are stating because taru tank is harder to pull off successfully, that almost all taru tanks are skilled. This is infact like he said, absolute BS.

Do players honestly see a 60 taru and 60 galka ninja or war tank seeking and think "Hmmm I'll get the taru because he had to work harder." That's like taking the statement "Money doesn't always equal happiness" , and then saying " Rich people are sad because they have money and poor people are happy be nature."

Some of you are assuming the heavier races automatically don't care about their equipment because of race advantages.

[Gryff]

Your basketball analogy really doesn't fit.

White guys dont have -10 jumping skill compared to black guys, or -10 motivation.


What is a simple reality is that tarus have a smaller margin of error, and speaking as a taru ninja, any other race can take 600 damage or so ( 912 hp @ lvl 68 in my exp gear ) and not be too worried, do it to me and I'd be on 300hp, all it takes is a lucky WS to finish me off.

Taru tanks have to learn to work to lower margins than any other race, we'll recieve more deaths ( all those times you survived at 1-400hp, we taru probably would have eaten it ), and as a result more taru tanks probably quit than any other jobs, resulting in a more skilled field of tarus than any other race at higher end.


that by no means is dismissing elvaan/galkan/hume/mithra as "lower skill", your just as likely to have an equal number of highly skilled players, we just have a higher % ratio of good to bad :-]

[JungBunny]

/clap Gryff.. thats what i was trying to say :X

[AtraposBLM]

Originally posted by Gryff
Your basketball analogy really doesn't fit.

White guys dont have -10 jumping skill compared to black guys, or -10 motivation.


What is a simple reality is that tarus have a smaller margin of error, and speaking as a taru ninja, any other race can take 600 damage or so ( 912 hp @ lvl 68 in my exp gear ) and not be too worried, do it to me and I'd be on 300hp, all it takes is a lucky WS to finish me off.

Taru tanks have to learn to work to lower margins than any other race, we'll recieve more deaths ( all those times you survived at 1-400hp, we taru probably would have eaten it ), and as a result more taru tanks probably quit than any other jobs, resulting in a more skilled field of tarus than any other race at higher end.


that by no means is dismissing elvaan/galkan/hume/mithra as "lower skill", your just as likely to have an equal number of highly skilled players, we just have a higher % ratio of good to bad :-]

Exactly. When I tried to make this point, I was talking about lower levels. Yes, you'll find lots of newb taru tanks, and lots of newb other race tanks, but if you see a Taru tank, you're more likely to see someone who's either playing a second job, or someone who is determined to tank as a taru. Simply, there's just a higher chance at lower levels to see a taru decked out than a different tank decked out. I'm not saying that's how it always is, but if you're looking at two tanks LFP, one taru, one other, I'm going to pick the taru because chances are that taru is one of those determined ones. IMO, that would be a better fit for my party than a random newb who thinks his elvaan is 1337 and doesn't need gear.

By NO MEANS am I saying that all taru's are more skilled/dedicated. I just meant that in lower levels, where the playing field is larger, and the chances of getting someone who has no clue what they're doing is much higher than 50+ or 60+, picking a taru gives you a much better chance of getting someone with good gear. In my original post, I went on to say that by 50+, everyone (including first timers, and former slackers), tends to figure out what they're supposed to do. Many people that pick Elvaan, Galka, or Hume, do so with the intent of becoming a tank, and so they picked what they felt was the best race for it. These are the people that are well equipped, above and beyond the average, and will make the *best* tanks, period. My point, however, was that the vast majority of players are *not* like that. As Gryff said, those lazy tanks that play taru tend to get weeded out quicker and sooner than other races, so your chance of getting a dedicated taru is higher than getting a dedicated Hume/Elvaan/Galka/other.


By no means am I saying that equally equipped Taru's and equally equipped Galka's will tank the same. However, against certain mobs (in particular, ones that don't have High-Damage specials (sickle slash)), Taru's make the best choice to exp with, as their MP advantage makes it easier to chain. Against those with high-damage specials (Spiders, HNM, Manticore), more HP becomes a much bigger advantage than more MP, and you would rather have a Galka, Elvaan, or Hume tank than a Taru. Bottom line though, the stat differences are *minimal*. The only difference is HP/MP. Sometimes one is better than the other - saying it always goes one way is just silly. Even though sometimes its better to have more HP than MP or vice versa, I've personally seen it done in the opposite fashion as well (Galka's tanking low-damage but long lasting fights, and taru's tanking high-damage but short fights). Taru tanks require different playing styles, just like Hume tanks play differently than Elvaans, and Elvaans play differently than Galkan.

[Hisdon]

my prob with Taru NIN's is if that one WS gets by from the mob, that taru is DEAD....>_> (Sickle Slash, Uppercut, and that manticore one come to mind of one-hitting Taru NIN's for me)

[Gryff]

Originally posted by Hisdon
my prob with Taru NIN's is if that one WS gets by from the mob, that taru is DEAD....>_> (Sickle Slash, Uppercut, and that manticore one come to mind of one-hitting Taru NIN's for me)

never died to any of those WS.

deadly hold in teriggan has hit me twice, and only for 400-500 each time, not exactly stellar.

[ZQM]

OWNED

[Balfree]

yesterday my pt had 2 tarus, in khazam, main tank and puller, the tank didnt have the topnotch armor or anything, but he did fine oO, i, a rdm, was main healer since we had no whm, and i rarely had less than 100 mp, which means the tank and sub tank were doing a good job managing the hate, i didnt, for a second, think that tarus cant tank, they can, plus, i bet theyre even beter than the galkas or elvaans, why? because they have to work real hard to be the best because of stat differences, and they do it, and only the best can do it, makes sense

[JungBunny]

My b/f been hit with a lot of WS's but never got one shotted like I said earlier except for one time but that was in the 50-55 range that it happened and I fell asleep on the computer so he was getting hit and then he used the WS that finished him for 385hp..

So taru's getting Oneshotted or you believe that happends all the time is false.

[Gryff]

Originally posted by ZQM


OWNED

*_*

Like I said, I've been exping there for a while and will be for a bit longer, Only taken two deadly holds, both for 400-500, and my defence is like 200 :/

[Patchinko]

Originally posted by ZQM


OWNED

Haha!

Nothing like seeing the maintank's HP go from full to 0 in a split second to wake a party up.

This thread sure is silly.