The taru tank. (rant-ish)

[Armando]

Lol...Elvaans don't make bad RNG. STR is just as important for ranged attacks and WS as it is for normal attacks.

Thing is, on paper what you say is true: Some races are "inferior" than others and the party would be better off with the "proper" race-job pairings. In reality, the stat differences are too small to hurt your exp/hour. And the whole point of a Ninja tank is that he won't take any damage. AGI helps them with that. Two WAR/NIN can take minimal damage too. This is starting to get old, and fast. Come up with a real argument and maybe I'll hear you out. From this point on, I'll just ignore your trolling, and I suggest everyone else do the same unless you want this to drag out for 5 more pages.

[neighbortaru]

lol. i've held my tongue for quite some time now, but the more I read your posts Voila, the more I think you are getting your facts from the strategy guide than from practical experience.

addendum:
You know, by your own very logic, no one should invite humes at all because they are "not made to excell" in any job.

[Mookie]

WHen I was leveling DRK in the Dunes way way way back who knows when, we had a Taru WAR as tank.
We got aggro'd by a Goblin Gambler (strongest goblins in the dune) and the Taru WAR dies, followed by a couple others (we all would have died if it hadn't dropped its gob bomb), anyway our Mithra WHM kicks him because she blames all our deaths on his race. But in reality we were level 13 fighting the strongest gob in the dunes, we were just asking for death.
I felt really sorry for the Taru though because he only spoke French, and didn't even understand why he had been kicked.

I have seen every race tank and every race is able to tank, you just have to keep Taru at higher health than other races because some mobs WS can really mess them up.
I could really only see lazy healers having problems with Taru tanks.

[Beecroft]

well i cant gain 1-10 lvls in one day
i can gain 1-4 lvls in one day and i dont really care how long it takes. like lvling whm is super hard cuz i cant hit for much dmg very well. im sorry im not as fast as you obsessed ppl.:mad: :p

[Beecroft]

omg Voila! i just read your post cuz i skipped over it when i first posted cuz i knew it would be bull crap. you talk like its the frikkin presidential debate. it is just a video game, it is meant to be fun and not taken too seriously. i mean sure i get mad when i die, who doesnt but its just a game. i am a taru war and i am having a ton of fun going against the grain. at least i am enjoying the game and not going by the book and doing just what my race excels in. sure i have low hp and dont do as much dmg as some other races but it is still a blast to slice up monsters and see it coming from a little guy who is underestimated. too me it sounds like your just a n00b readin the strategy guide and swearing by it, and that is just a dumb thing to do when it is, after all, just a game.

[Kantaro Drift]

lol Dude... Voila... Do yourself a Favour and STFU!

Elvaan RNG owns and Taru PLD owns... etc etc...

High lvl Galka WHM on my server names Mondey and he kicks ass! Mondey is also a high lvl RDM. You got no idea wtf you are talking about.
Yes I will admit, that on Paper, that Taru are the worst Race for WAR. But, that doesnt mean that it can't be played to be the Best Character.

JP Taru Warrior named Jacky on lakshmi, out level'd everyone I know, he has to be doing something right. I PT'd with him when I was a 50+WHM but I was on another Job, in dunes. (he was lvl16 at the time, I was leveling SMN.) He kicked ass, Tanked Pugils for us and did a Good job. He had MNK sub at the time.
I met him again 2weeks later and he was lvl39 in CN, I was leveling Ninja. He had THF sub this time and was doing SA+SturmWind and once again, Kicking ass.

When I finally went back to WHM, and when I finally reached 60+ he was already in the 70's as a Taru Warrior.
He reached 75 not long after it, I checked him and talked to him as often as possible. (because Taru Melee rock.) Hes fought Gods including Kirin.

So before you start typing, do something impressive and actually think about what you are saying.

kthxbye

[flipmazzi]

The Bottom Line

I totally agree that there is nothing wrong with a taru tank, but some of these posts are just ridiculous. Tarus can be great tanks, and therefore a player who wants to be taru but also wants to be a tank shouldnt have a problem. That goes for all race-job combos.

However, each race has defining stats (obviously, otherwise races would only differ by looks). At the same time, each job has stats which are most important to the job. The ideal would be to pair the job's important stats to the race's defining stats. Its common sense.

If you come accross an amazingly skilled Taru Tank with sweet armor, he would be even better if he were Elvaan with the same armor and skill. That is a fact that you cannot deny.

[Cali]

Taru tanks are fine, though I still want to know if a PLD taru can stand sickle slash and such as well as an Elvann or Galka... But I would never care about race...

I have seen galka mages doing better than other mages, as I have seen taru tanks better than others... though the Galka WHM25 doesn't have enough MP for raise is a bit scary =_=;;

[Baradak]

Originally posted by Cali
Taru tanks are fine, though I still want to know if a PLD taru can stand sickle slash and such as well as an Elvann or Galka... But I would never care about race...

I have seen galka mages doing better than other mages, as I have seen taru tanks better than others... though the Galka WHM25 doesn't have enough MP for raise is a bit scary =_=;;

False. I had over 200mp at lvl 25 as a GAL whm/blm.

[Armando]

If you come accross an amazingly skilled Taru Tank with sweet armor, he would be even better if he were Elvaan with the same armor and skill. That is a fact that you cannot deny.

The statement itself is true; however, as I've stated before, this isn't a very good argument, because:
1) The odds of finding two players with the exact same armor is small.
2) Different races have different weaknesses, and each player should at try to cover up these weaknesses to a small extenct (An Elvaan WAR shouldn't focus all his stats into AGI and DEX just because he has little of it, but he should boost it a bit aside from boosting his VIT and STR so they're not so low) so they really shouldn't have the exact same armor.
3) Skill. The Elvaan could be a bad tank, so picking him over the Taru just because he has base stats that would benefit his job more isn't always the smartest move. Also, no two players are the same - each has their own strengths and weaknesses, prejudices and biases, and different experiences in-game, both will handle different situations differently even if it's just a small difference.
4) Taru does have its merits. Higher AGI and DEX than an Elvaan, basically. And AGI does matter, as it reduces the odds of having a critical hit scored on you, as well as raising your parrying/blocking rate. DEX helps them score critical hits and gives them extra accuracy (Note: I didn't say Elvaans have bad accuracy). If he has proper armor, he should be able to take and deal out the hits well enough, and he'll have those stats working for him in his favor, just like the Elvaan will have his own particular base stats working in his favor. Both have their advantages.

This being said, even if by some bizarre coincidence both Warriors had the same armor, it wouldn't be a fair comparison. I can see what you're getting at, though.

[Daziz]

I have seen Taru Plds take sickle slash perfectly fine.

I play pld every now and then and i have servived screwdriver on a number of times.

Once when playing as my War i got 1hit kill from Sickle slash that was because i really up set the damn thing hitting it with Sneak Attack + Sturmwind = Sweet. I had berserk on so my def was extremly low so i died.

I have only seen and experience taru 1hit kills when the taru is using berserk any other time they live though 1 hitters just fine.

[Cali]

Oh cool, that's the only thing I'm not sure of about Taru tank, because the only Taru PLD I had was around lv40? against those helm beetles in nest, so was wondering how well are a taru tank vs some 3x attacks.

>>Baradak Sorry, that was what I was told about Galka whm25 not having MP for raise, I have never partied with one yet, the Galka mages on my servers are usually higher or lower lvl than mine

I would say, like Mithra, Taru would make better tank as blink tank, rather than HP tank like Galka, or Elvaan would excel in.

[Daziz]

A pld is not all about its Hp's ya they r a good thing but a good pld can work with his Mp very well.

Timing cure's to keep his Hp's up and keep hate is a thing taru can do very well at a taru pld has a hell of alot more Mp, Playing pld as a taru u need to be pretty skilled at getting ur cures in on time, With a galka or elvaan ya they have lots of hp's so they dont need to worry about casts getting interupted as much.

When i play pld i do my best to cure as much as i can so i dont get one hit from having like half health. I always try and keep myself 3/4 of health and doin this keeps hate very well.

U could say if its all about Hp's then why not just go with a galka war/mnk they have a hell of alot of Hp's but i say the plds best friend is mp having the mp to keep hate and to keep urself alive.

Its like everyone says Player Skill>Equip>Race.

We taru can make up for a weak points anyway like r str is not so high but i have my drg lved to up lv52 and i have +17 Str without food and i always use Mithkabob.

So any weakness can be fixed with the right gear.

[flipmazzi]

Armando, your points are all valid, but they are also all unknowns when initially trying to create a pt. The only things you know when finding pt members are job/subjob, lvl, rank, race and nation.

Nation is basically meaningless and we are assuming that job, subjob and lvl are the same, so the only modifiers are rank and race. It's perfectly legit to choose the higher rank because it indicates more experience.

But if I see 2 pld/war of the same lvl lfg, one is a Elvaan and the other is Taru, and you have never pt'ed with either of them, I'm going to pick the Elvaan everytime.

Given the knowledge I have in that situation, which happens more than 75% of the time, the Taru has nothing on the elvaan, absolutely nothing.

Now the other 25% of the time there are other factors, which mainly result from comments. TNL, Equipment, etc..

Most of the time though, picking the Taru over the Elvaan is completely unjustified.

[Uroboros]

Originally posted by flipmazzi
But if I see 2 pld/war of the same lvl lfg, one is a Elvaan and the other is Taru, and you have never pt'ed with either of them, I'm going to pick the Elvaan everytime.

I'd pick the Taru. I don't like downtime.

Tarus are excellent exp PLDs, maybe the best.