The taru tank. (rant-ish)

[Rudo]

Only a retard would argue how a race shouldnt be doing a certain a job. It's a game, people play however they want and if they try hard enough they'll make it work. We have a Taru PLD in LS and has tanked every HNM there is. That's more than Voila has ever done that's for sure.

Voila just can't stand that people break the mold to have fun and succeed at it. You're nobody Voila, you can't tell people how they should play a game that's for fun. You just come off as ignorant and arrogant.

[Voila!]

You got me all wrong Hobojoe. I believe each race should play to it's advantages. Tarus have more MP then other races, so what should they do with that MP to make the best of it? NOT TANK.

I can tank 50x better then any taru and I HAVE. My retired Elv War/Nin tanked better then ALL of the TWO taru tanks that had the balls to level that far at the time, and he certainly tanked better then some of the paladins out there.

Guess why there aren't many taru tanks 40+. Because they suck. Why would SE give the different races different stats? BECAUSE IT MATTERS. It always has and always will.

[Voila!]

Originally posted by Rudo
We have a Taru PLD in LS and has tanked every HNM there is.

Shit, my bullshit detector just went off. Let's see, where's the source... oh it's you.

Good job dumbass, if there's anything worse then a tarutaru tank it's a liar. Your reputation is ruined, and now nothing you say can be trusted. Unplug the internet and take a toaster oven bath for the good of mankind.

[Ariagiovanni]

We also had a 75 taru PLD tank many hnms. Simurgh, Serket, Roc, Genbu, Zipacna (NM I guess, but tough), Suzaku - she tanked those all.

[Midgetoplenty]

To you sir i say boo

Well sir i do belive you have us taru's pined wrong. For example Taru's happen to have the second highest AGI witch is awsome for ninja's. So basiacly as long as you have enogh cash for awsome gear Taru's can blink tank w/ the best of them.

As far as your comment about tarus have nothing to grab hate besides flimsy provoke um... well i wasnt aware of any race spasifec hate grabing traits so correct me if im worng that comment made no sence.

And lasty for you comment on switching our job to whm well.... why would you want us to do that? Taru's have the one of the lowest MND. If you go buy our stats we make the best BLMs becouse we have the highest INT. Buy your ressioning all elven should be the ones playing as whm.

So i would advise you to look more closley at the facts before you start calling people retarted.

[Voila!]

I advise you to take your own advice. The taru's natural large pool of MP excells them into any mage position. Mnd isn't as important to a Whm as Int is to a Blm. Most of the Whm's spells are based on the magic skills themselves. Elvaan's MP is fine and dandy, but when things get rough I'd feel better relying on a taru mage who can continue dishing out the magic with a capable tank.

I think you guys have me pegged all wrong. Being a materialist, I base my ideas, opinions, and form my facts off personal experiences. Not just one or two experiences, but several. My FFXI career extends back into the days of importing after beta closed and expands over several characters as I tried to find the niche that suited me best. As a thief I often create a lot of hate that challenges the tanks, thusly I'm able to compare and contrast and see the differences clearly.

I'm sorry if my material experiences don't match your idealistic logic, but a dog is a dog, a cat is a cat, and a taru tank is a taru tank. There's no saying that I must have partied with the crappy tanks, or I'm being too hard on them, or that I'm just plain wrong.

With this post I've tried to soften the thread up a bit and lean away from the flaming that was welling up here. Follow my example, please. I'm sorry if I've offended any of you; I noticed my posts got angrier and angrier. =/

[Rudo]

Whatever Voila. I'm in Lunarians, the first NA HNM LS to kill every HNM in Bismarck besides the new Dragons of course. I've seen every type of tank race/job combo in HNM action. I myself as WAR/NIN have tanked/kited everything there is(again except the new Dragons). The Taru PLD from my LS in question has full Koenig short of boots and does a hell of a job tanking. He has fun doing it and gets the job done. So please keep on talking crap you don't know about cause you look more ridiculous with every post you make.

[Lmnop]

hate to beat around the bush...

I’d like to point out that I rather like Voila. I agree with him with most things except this thread. And I thank you for the attempt to soften the thread but I just want to point out some things…

I've had many taru tanks, and they could hardly keep hate.

Oh really?

I partied with a tarutaru paladin who would always lose hate with the same sneak attack I used when partying with the elvaan. It did around the same damage, but I did more damage with normal hits. I could instantly pull hate at any time during the fight with steal. It was pathetic.

I only took part of this story since you know the rest. Something in the wording just got to me so I had to dig deeper

I can tank 50x better then any taru and I HAVE. My retired Elv War/Nin tanked better then ALL of the TWO taru tanks that had the balls to level that far at the time, and he certainly tanked better then some of the paladins out there.

Oh never mind, I guess when you said many you meant 2.

Fortunately for me I don't run into the taru tank too often because it's me who tanks. I'm a mithra and I tank well.

I'll ignore the fact that Mithra have a low Vit growth too.

I’ll also just forget about the doublespeak and get to the point: I don’t believe you. You don’t have nearly enough experience with taru tanks to justify your claims.

Good job dumbass, if there's anything worse then a tarutaru tank it's a liar. Your reputation is ruined, and now nothing you say can be trusted. Unplug the internet and take a toaster oven bath for the good of mankind.

Hmm not only do I feel like someone should report you for being such an outright asshole, I believe if you stopped whining about taru tanks and started looking around the forums some more, you’d see some very interesting posts by Russta.

On another note...

Not just one or two experiences, but several. My FFXI career extends back into the days of importing after beta closed and expands over several characters as I tried to find the niche that suited me best.

Maybe if you weren’t so bent on the importance of race, you wouldn’t need so many characters?

[Voila!]

By had I mean had in a party, not owned as an actual character. I'm not sure if that's what you're thinking, but I've also been at the same level as many other taru tanks as my Mithra character, and my past Elvaan characters.

I only chose Mithra this time because I was going to level thief. I did have to tank a little bit while leveling warrior to 30, but oddly enough there were a lot of paladins. I never said my mithra character could tank better then an elvaan or galka, because she couldn't. My Elvaan War/Nin who was at 52 could keep hate very well, and as far as I could remember tarus had given up ninja by then and there was one or two taru plds.

If anybody is whining, it's you guys. I've layed down the facts. I havn't whined, or complained, because there's nothing to whine or complain about. My point still stands, people should play to their strengths which means tarus shouldn't tank.

[Synbios]

Try playing a non THF nor mage past 40 and tell us race matters. Kthxbey.

[Voila!]

Are you kidding me?

[Beecroft]

well im a taru War and low lvl too. and sometimes its hard and sometimes its really fun. i like have hume wars underestimate me little guy and then i end up doing more dmg than they do. i know im only lvl 6 but i party sometimes just for fun. for instance when i was partying with the hume and we both had about 125%
TP we pulled out Fast blade. mine did 32 dmg and his did 14. then the other ppl in the party laughed at him. i didnt cuz i had the bronze sword and he had the onion sword. but still its only 1 dmg difference between the 2 swords so my guy was a better dmg dealer. and actually the party worked out great cuz he had more HP so he tanked and i dmged the monster. we had a taru brd and a galka whm. i gained 2 lvls that day. o yeah and we were the same lvl.

[Armando]

If anybody is whining, it's you guys. I've layed down the facts. I havn't whined, or complained, because there's nothing to whine or complain about. My point still stands, people should play to their strengths which means tarus shouldn't tank.

Facts? What facts? You haven't posted numbers, you haven't posted parser logs, you don't have any testimonies other than your own biased anecdotes, of which we have no proof that they even happened to begin with. You have no facts. When it comes down to it, we're arguing about numbers. We're arguing about how Tarutaru are supposedly so inferior at anything that isn't a mage job because of their "inadequate" stats. If you wanna argue about numbers, how about you show some real numbers? Or at least try using real logic...

Let's see...Tarutaru have lower STR and VIT and HP than Elvaan and Galka, supposedly the only races fit to tank. However, Tarutaru have higher DEX, AGI, and MP. People underestimate how important AGI is to a tank. AGI reduces how often the enemy scores critical hits on you and how often you block and parry. Taru PLD also have the higher MP pool working in their favor. MP is worth much more than HP. 8 MP will give you 30 HP when you cast Cure. DEX raises accuracy and increases the odds of scoring a critical hit. So, the Tarutaru has to work on his VIT and HP to tank. He can focus most of his equipment towards those, and he'll still have decent AGI and DEX and MP. The Elvaan, on the other hand, would want to put at least a bit of his equipment to raise his AGI and DEX some.

Oh, yes, and there IS a cap on STR and Attack. An Elvaan would hit that cap first.

Again, Skill > Equipment > Race.

You need to know how to employ your job abilities, when to draw hate, when not to draw hate, what to do in case of adds, how to skillchain properly, how to be a good trick partner, how to get the most out of your character with equipment, how to get those high exp chains, etc. Everyone needs proper equipment, or else they'll suck. Period. The least important factor is Race. Any stat differences can be compensated with equipment and merit points. And the difference in stats isn't big enough to not make x job viable for y race as long as they have the proper equipment anyways. Besides, people have to adapt. If you aren't taking that much damage, why go all-out defensive anyways? It'd be more useful to lean a bit more towards the offensive side. If the monster is hitting you very hard, then you'd want to sacrifice some of your offense for better defense.

Frankly, using an argument like "I've seen such and such Taru suck at his job" is preposterous. First of all, anyone can suck. Secondly, there's so many variables that you can't really claim that he sucked because he was a Taru from an anecdote like that. You have to think about what they were fighting, the equipment the people have, how they played, where they camped, the party setup, etc.

Tarutaru DD and Tank is perfectly viable. You just have to know how to.

[Voila!]

Beecroft, you can gain levels 1-10 in a day. More if you don't get sick of playing after that. =/

Facts are facts, it doesn't matter if I don't know why they are facts, or if I don't have the proof to prove they're facts. They're still facts.

Race/Jobs that are viable per se, but would result in less EXP: Elv/Rng, Tar/Pld, Tar/Nin, Elv/Blm, Glk/Whm, Glk/Blm, Tar/Drk, etc, etc... The trend continues. Parties that invite those race/job combinations will be gaining less EXP due to more downtime or having to take more time to kill the monster, or whatever other reason because they've included races that weren't made to excell in that specific job.

Just like parties have to be assembled with a healer, a nuker, a tanker, and damage dealers to do the best it can, so does a character. Can you tell me why you'd invite a whm to heal instead of two blms? Because the blms wouldn't have the spells a whm would at that level and it could result in a death, and would result in less EXP.

Any race/job combo is viable, but to do the best a party can, they have to invite the 'extremes'. Inviting two war/whm to share tanking duties means more hectic healing for the whm(War/Whm mp pool is pathetic), one less slot for another required job, and a hassle at SATA for the thief if you've invited one. With a paladin you've got a single tank, another spot open for a more damaging job, and only one target for the whm to heal. So by inviting a Taru Pld/War you're inviting less of an extreme then if you invited an Elvaan, or Galka, or Hume.

I think we can all agree that Tarus shouldn't even attempt the Ninja job because it cuts off their oh so important MP pool.

If you're all up for fun or whatever the old noob's excuse is go ahead and mess around. Have fun while your friends level past you.

I'm tired of having to bring up the same point over and over just to refute the same point over and over. You've made your point about equipment and skill, and I've made my point about basic stats and party configuration compared to character configuration. Bring up some new points or I wont bother posting again.

I've typed this out in a rush and understand it may not make complete sense, so instead of trying to refute that you think I'm saying ask me what I'm really trying to say if you don't understand.

[Jifan]

Um... Do you even play the game?

Any race can play any job. Skill > equip > race.

Taru's can play ninja, pld and all that. MP Pool? On nin?

You words are shit.

I myself am a Elvaan Ranger. You make it seem that we cannot hit the broadside of a barn.

Your words are shit, Do you even play the same game?