The taru tank. (rant-ish)

[Nameless]

Hey, Troll! It's time to for lunch!

[Bluejoker1118]

are you calling me a troll....

[Keji]

ya blue you're right i hate that. Thats why i quit taru warrior..they wouldnt even let me DD and i tried taru drk but i was kicked because there was an elvaan drg looking for a group...and yes i had good equipment

[Nameless]

Originally posted by Bluejoker1118
are you calling me a troll....

Why would you ever think that!?

[Armando]

In response to the above posters, he discriminiated against other races because they weren't properly equipped to make up for their shortcomings. His point is that he is discriminated against purely because of his race, despite being better equipped and better prepared than the average WAR, most of which are the "proper" race; and to top it all off, he's discriminated against by people who are underequipped, and think they are superior, once again based solely on race. Never in his post did he discriminate without proper reason.

It's been said before, but player > equipment > race. And yes; if you have two players of equal skill and the same equipment, the one with the "proper" race would arguably be "better." However, this argument isn't completely valid because a) not two players are the same; different players have different experiences and talents as well as different flaws and biases; b) rarely ever will two people have the exact same armor; c) if they're of different races, they should equip armor to try to balance out their weaknesses; d) if they're both properly equipped and both are good players, both will do well.

Also, Taru do have some advantages over Elvaan and Galka. They have higher AGI and DEX (not as much as Mithra, but still that's not a fair comparison.) Tanks tend to underestimate the importance of AGI; sure, it increases your evasion by a minimal ammount, but it does so much more - it increases how often you block and parry, and how often critical hits are scored against you. Likewise, having higher DEX gives them more chance to score critical hits. Also, the difference between stats isn't that big when it comes to meleeing, especially in the low levels. A level 18 Elvaan MNK/WAR only had 4-5 less points in DEX and AGI than a Mithra MNK/WAR, both naked. Likewise, the Elvaan had 3-5 more points in STR and VIT. Note that these two races are the extremes, so the difference between an Elvaan or Mithra and a Hume, which is the average race, would be what, 1-3 points tops? This can easily be balanced out with stat rings. Sure, the gap in stats gets bigger as you level, but the accessories will also give bigger boosts to stats.

Again, player > equipment > race. The original poster may be a Tarutaru, but he is more than properly equipped, eats his food, and knows what he's doing. There's no reason why he should be discriminated against when he takes all the measures necessary to not only compensate for his race's shortcomings, but excell as a tank overall. And again, sure, another player with the same skill and armor (which I honestly don't see happening) was a better race, it doesn't matter that he's a Tarutaru, because he will tank well anyhow.

[Voila!]

If you don't know the player you pretty much skip the first part of the equation. Maybe we should all have lunch and get to know each other before we play so we can ignore the two +1 Str rings the whm is wearing and that the blm is subbing thf at level 13 for steal to make money.

Equipment is what tells us the player is actually trying to play the game well. I don't look for good people, I look for the well equipped because most of the time they know what they are doing.

[fuz]

It's a little hard to check equipment when you're staring at list of seekers and the only things you can check are on the list.

First cutoff is the jobs I need to invite. After that, player skill and equips.

Generally assuming things, people with high rank should be well equipped since they have played the game to a higher level, and have some more experience. It is of course, the safest choice I can make. The only things not keeping me from inviting a high rank person is if there is another person seeking I know is a good/decent player, or someone has a well advertised comment with what I’m looking for.

My only real discrimination is people with low rank (usually 3 and below), no sub or under-leveled sub, and poor reputation/intelligence (are they seeking while anon, only speak in single word sentences, arrogant?). These are pretty good warning signs to all that this player might be a hazard to the PT.

If I have no choice but to pick from a pool of less than on par players (e.g. valkurum), I will start looking for anything that will seem better than other choices. And eventually race plays a part in that.

In normal cirumstances, race to me is not even a consideration except in extreme cases. I might be a bit hesitant to invite a galka whm due to the importance of an MP pool when we get an add or somthing goes horribly wrong, but that thought usually passes in a minute or two. Especially since you don't get much to pick from at higher levels.

[Jonishush]

Voila! said: I don't like Taru warriors, they get one shotted too often.

In my opinion I've seen Taru WAR Take more shots then a elvaan WAR :X Same gear. Maybe he was lucky, maybe not. but Just because Taru have less HP doesn't mean they are all one shotted. that mainly applys to Mages.. idiot.

[AtraposBLM]

Originally posted by Jonishush
In my opinion I've seen Taru WAR Take more shots then a elvaan WAR :X Same gear. Maybe he was lucky, maybe not. but Just because Taru have less HP doesn't mean they are all one shotted. that mainly applys to Mages.. idiot.

In all the time I've been playing, I've been one-shotted exactly once. I've survived alliance-wide wipes (read- the bomb in Ifrit's near Ash Dragon exploded....killed 14 of the 18 people in our alliance. I didn't die, despite having the fewest HP in the alliance save the Taru SMN (who also didn't die)). The only time I ever got one-shotted was a freak accident with a monkey in the Den of Rancor. It used some weird special on me (It was a 4xBLM/RDM/BRD party) for 950 damage. I had somewhere around 720 hp.


I'm a taru BLM. Tanks have several hundred more hitpoints than I do. I've yet to see a taru PLD that took a significant amount of damage more than other tanks. The difference is even smaller with warrior's and ninja's, as the amount of damage they take is much more dependant on the gear they're using than the race they're playing. If anything, when looking for a tank, I tend to discriminate *towards* taru's, simply because there's a much higher chance that a high level taru tank got there because he had great gear than the Elvaan or Hume PLD that got invites no matter what. Plus...taru's spend more time LFP...gives them more time to farm

[CarbonFibre]

I'm willing to admit that I discriminate against Taru melee and tanks. Off the bat I'd rather have another race for that job, but as others have said they can still do just as well as anyone else. If I am unable to check gear, I'll pretty much always invite a Galka, Elvaan, or Hume PLD over a Mithra or Taru. I'm definitely biased, but I'll give any job/race combination the chance they deserve. It's not like I'll refuse to party with the other races.
On a side note, if tank is a NIN I personally like Mithra and Galka the best. Taru NIN can die mad quick if they get stuck with their blink down. Another reason is that a couple of the best parties I've ever been in have been with 2 different Galka NIN tanks I know (secondary jobs and from the same LS).

*Edit: This is much less of an issue at the low levels you describe, especially if you have superior gear. There is tons of room for error at these levels as it is. When I stopped leveling my SAM at around 54 or 55 to get my WAR to 37, I was shocked to compare how a damn bad party can still get great xp at a constant rate. What I would have considered a terrible party at 55 was doing absolutely fine at 32/33.

[Voila!]

Join the club.

I had a taru ninja in the party tonight, couldn't keep much hate. Luckily I don't mind taking hits.

[Jonishush]

Uh, that doesn't mean all Taru NIN suck.. ;\

[Lmnop]

nuff' said

If anything, when looking for a tank, I tend to discriminate *towards* taru's, simply because there's a much higher chance that a high level taru tank got there because he had great gear than the Elvaan or Hume PLD that got invites no matter what.

[Voila!]

Tanking equipment is relatively inexpensive because there isn't as many tanks as there are damage dealers. People will invite tanking classes just because they're tanking classes with no regard for race.

Taru should stick to what they're good at.

[simplex]

ok.

im not even going to read this. race is shit.

Individual Skill > Equip > Race.