The taru tank. (rant-ish)

[Jaggywaggy]

Skill > equip > race...

Cali no one is arguing with this really

However some people including me find it completely silly to assume someone is skill/not skilled based upon race. And to assume galka/elvaan tanks hold back on buying the best gear a high % of the time isn't very fair either.

Galka war with up to date armor but no HQ pre 30 or taru war with all HQ equipment/armor. The Galka would still have a defense,attack,hp advantage by far unless we're comparing poor galka to a perfect taru. Hmmm I know what I would pick, especially if I was the WHM making the party and had to cure this guy and care for his life, definitely the galka.

Likewise I'd get a taru mage over a galka/elvaan anyday, unless the elvaan/galka had a clearly better search comment highlighting why he's a better player through certain equips. You can't check skill, but equipment is probably the closest thing that lets you take a stab at what their skill is, and to mention it in one's comment is a very good thing. Simply put, "NA/JP <Party> OK!" is a big fat waste of a potienally useful line which should be used to highlight your pros, not to show your lazyness adn lack of effort.

However if shown in their search comments the taru without doubt had the best gear available roughly for his level and the galka didn't mention his gear, I would definitely want that taru as my tank. Given I know neither of their equips though, and all else remained constant, I would without doubt want the galka. I find it completely retarded to assume the galka/elvaan isn't with decent/really good gear.

galka players are more mature ^^

Agreed, although of course I've yet to meet them all. Maybe it's luck but I've gotten along with 99% of all galkas I've met. Most galka players I've met with very few exceptions have been older grown up men when it got brought up in a discussion. The rest have been 18-20 about.

Elvaans and mithra players have some special ability of getting under my skin half the time, but I don't assume this before I meet that player of X race. I'll assume nothing about the player based upon their race, but I will make observations after and those just happen to be them. For example I wouldn't see a mithra and think *itch or arogant little boy without meeting them first since they could be a very polite person. Assuming their personally upon race would be no better than assuming skill upon race. Its my observations that galka are, but I wouldn't assume a galka player is more mature just like I wouldn't assume taru are more often more skilled at tanking. Sure you have a certain % of outcomes and you base decisions off that, but for all you know you're giving a very serious elvaan/galka a decline to a party making you the loser.

[JungBunny]

lol arg.. i'm not really letting it to get to me.. I just dont want them to feel so stupid when they reach a level to verify it for themselves

I dont know if you guys know or not (since your sigs say otherwise) but from 60-75 or 65-75 is a really different game than before that.. I can't really explain everything thats different but once you get there you'll understand

[Jaggywaggy]

Galka PLD's can also cure themselves once, as opposed to the taru who can cure themselves many many times.

Are you trying to lose any creditibly you could possiblely have to not being a completely biased poster or were you kidding? I really can't tell since they're only typed out words.

Froms levels 45-56 I've been with mainly elvaan/galka plds as tanks and have yet to witness a mp problem. The elvaans and galka I've been with have in addition to their sword,a darkstaff post 51. And from the galks mp<hp rings which are switched out for vit+3 rings upon using 40 mp. Given the other damage dealer isn't worthless and does a good job to make the parties run smoothly, my parties have hitten chain 4-5 with the elvaan/galka plds still at 3/4 mp or greater going into chain 5 without resting ever, going from one chain to the next with no breaks, unless we killed all the mobs and need to wait for respawns.

With BLM to MB freeze for 1200 damage after rng does 800-900 slugshot and I do 500-600 SATA viper+150-250 distortion, the pld can get away with using no mp on those battles since they end instantly. In those types of parties pld only has to use mp every other battle, making mp even less of an issue. Preheps taru pld would be better in a multi ranger party or multi blm party, but those aren't the normal typical xp sessions most people speak about. And good luck finding 4-5 rng or blm.

I've witnessed what I just said so I don't see where the problem lies. If hate can be held just fine by a galka/elvaan pld with their given mp,attack, defense,abilities if they take the job seriously, where lies the usefulness of having 200 spare mp which was never needed by the galka/elvaan in the first place?

[Ozymandis]

Do Taru tanks pick up a couple hundred points of HP and 10 or more vitality at 65-75? :spin:

I'm still 2 levels away from 65 (3 with WAR), I'll hit it this weekend in my static, but my brother is a 75 MK and I play on his account in exp parties sometimes. The obvious thing is that parties are going to have a hate controller closing the skillchain for big damage onto the tank. This hurts the case for a Taru PLD rather than helps it.


You say:

Originally posted by Ariagiovanni
I don't know why you guys even let people like Voila get to you.. his signature says he's a 35THF. How could he possibly know anything?

And then you say:

Originally posted by Ariagiovanni
Galka PLD's can also cure themselves once, as opposed to the taru who can cure themselves many many times.

Nice one!

[Ozymandis]

Originally posted by Jaggywaggy
If hate can be held just fine by a galka/elvaan pld with their given mp,attack, defense,abilities if they take the job seriously, where lies the usefulness of having 200 spare mp which was never needed by the galka/elvaan in the first place?

You hit the nail on the head with that.

With a PLD, a party is going to have a dedicated healer. As long as your damage dealers are hitting hard and fights aren't dragging on, your healer will be able to handle that duty himself.

A PLD's MP exists for one reason- to hold hate. If hate is being held competently (and Galka and Elvaan PLDs can hold hate just fine), then having more MP just goes to waste. However, a PLD can never have too much VIT. Or in some cases, too much HP.

[Kagerou]

also mp issue will really decrease if u have a good brd or a red mage who knows what they are doing (refresh)

RSE helps big time for galka+elvaan pld at low 30s

at 60+ most of the "stat issues" should be cleared by equips

I guess the hard thing about taru tanks in general is that boosting HP is one of the hardest things to do.
While it is possible for a taru tank to boost their HP up to a Galkas lvl, they need to sacrafice their equip slots to boost their HP while the galka/elvaan/hume can use that slot to increase their VIT.

[Roninblues]

Static from 60-69, taru pld. He had about 1100+ hp at lv 69, also had over 400mp.
Of course, he had uber pld equip. Cassie earring, +25 hp earring behemoths mantle, jelly ring ect ect. He was the best pld i had ever partied with, period. He could hold hate from mnks on bones, and not just ordinary monks, but cross counter, amemit +1, dune boots, spectactles, bardified monks. This is such BS to me because he quit at lv 69 for school reason, but ever since we haven't gotten those chain 6s like we used to.

Player>Equipment>Race. OMG SO IMPORTANT, LEARN IT.

Cassie earring is uber for taru pld, since they dont have to worry about the MP hit like other races, and +1 vit +1 str +2def is uber from an earring.. along with the 50hp ^_^

[Cali]

My comment on Galka players being mature, is all based on my personal experience.. I won't tell what impression Mithra, Elvaan, Taru, and hume players give me, as some people treat this game so seriously, they will find my house and blow me apart for dissing their online race ^^

I wouldn't comment on Ariagiovanni's comment, as a person who is so proud of her lv75 status should realize what she is talking about ^^

And, why are we talking about PLD? O.o; WAR forum, WAR forum... |English| |I don't understand.|

I heard WAR has more DEF than PLD, is that true? O.o; I gave up my WAR long ago, my WAR is nothing more but a subjob now. So, a Galka tank could be a WAR/MNK or something, no? I still believe a low hp race, like Mithra or Taru, would be better as Utsusemi/Blink tank.

[neighbortaru]

btw, it's a he. the toon is a she, but the player is a he.

ok, carry on...

[Ariagiovanni]

Maybe being a WHM i'm biased in the way I look at tanks. WHM's like the tanks that don't need you healing them all the time. A hume or a taru PLD let's you ease up on the healing, whereas a Galka you would have to pay attention to all fight.

[Ozymandis]

Originally posted by Ariagiovanni
Maybe being a WHM i'm biased in the way I look at tanks. WHM's like the tanks that don't need you healing them all the time. A hume or a taru PLD let's you ease up on the healing, whereas a Galka you would have to pay attention to all fight.

That's an... interesting perspective. You might want to try actually tanking a considerable amount of time, would probably give you a different outlook.


On a side note, I've noticed that the vast majority of WHMs suck. At least with a warrior or even sometimes a ninja tank. When I've got low HP, I need healing NOW, I can't heal myself. Most WHMs are so used to having paladin tanks that they get lazy in the later levels. Which I kind of don't understand, since they usually have a RDM and don't need to do enfeebling/support nearly as much.

Sorry, had to vent that.

Originally posted by Cali
I heard WAR has more DEF than PLD, is that true? O.o; I gave up my WAR long ago, my WAR is nothing more but a subjob now. So, a Galka tank could be a WAR/MNK or something, no? I still believe a low hp race, like Mithra or Taru, would be better as Utsusemi/Blink tank.

No, PLD gets 3 (?) passive Defense Up bonuses, WAR gets 1.

Yes, a Galka can pull off WAR/MNK. It's a third-rate tank, but I think it's work-able especially when you get full artifact armor.

Low HP blink tanks still have the same problems that low HP defense tanks do. Less pronounced because most of the time you're avoiding getting hit altogether, but still there.

Everyone talks up Taru NINs... why? I'm always confused by that. They get slightly more parries, at the cost of being extremely fragile and of doing less damage.

[Ariagiovanni]

I've done a fair share of tanking on my 53 warrior... actually, every single god damn party.

[Voila!]

Originally posted by Ariagiovanni
Maybe being a WHM i'm biased in the way I look at tanks. WHM's like the tanks that don't need you healing them all the time. A hume or a taru PLD let's you ease up on the healing, whereas a Galka you would have to pay attention to all fight.

A white mage that doesn't like healing... WHAT A WORLD.

[Ozymandis]

Originally posted by Ariagiovanni
I've done a fair share of tanking on my 53 warrior... actually, every single god damn party.

Then you ought to know better.

Originally posted by Voila!
A white mage that doesn't like healing... WHAT A WORLD.

It's not uncommon at all. WHMs are often pretty lazy and sorry... it's not as obvious as with RDMs but if I'm tanking I notice it pretty damn quick.

[Voila!]

I'm in the dunes tanking with ninja right now and most of them seem to be on the ball about this kind of stuff. Although I partied with a Pld earlier who frequented the red health zone D: and it was obvious the Whm wasn't paying enough attention.

Suspecting is one thing, but KNOWING you're whm is lazy as hell makes you think twice about going Bst. >_>