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**Darkedge** · 10-06-2004, 06:02 PM

Haha. I descriminate (well right now its prejudice) by rank, not race.
I will say I feel more comfortable with Elvaan PLDs, but one of my greatest parties as a whm had a taru pld and a taru DRK. (along with taru brd..and I think an elvaan blm, dont remember)

But yeah it's real crap that people act this way. I like how he attacks your age, and doesn't back up his crap.

I'm lvling my character, and I'm more knowledgeable than my linkshell and most ppl I party with at this point, but I'll act a newbie and ask if certain jobs are good, and why to use certain weapons.
The best ive gotten was someone claiming a 68 war with AF, 54 dark, and WARs using GSword as primary weapon (all from same guy). ^^ His war is only lvl 30 btw, I /sea 'd him one day when his linkpearl was off.

**laicram** · 10-06-2004, 08:06 PM

Yea, top gear + def food, you still won't get any love. =( I feel you, bro. There's gonna be a bunch of ppl who don't have a full understanding of what works - and you're gonna get crap for it. If you want an easier time, make a set PT that appreciates your efforts.

**Maxamillian** · 10-06-2004, 10:40 PM

Well your post talks about how you hate being discriminated against as a taru tank, but you discriminated against the elvvan blm and the hume smn as well as call the â€œmelee basedâ€? races stupid. You should understand that with the same gear and assumeing equal skill that most any other race would be better at war tank same as assuming that with equal skill and gear taru would be a better mage then most any other race. If the party invited you to tank then you should be the tank if not do the job you were invited to do, no pt that Iâ€™ve ever been in starts without designating a tank. So donâ€™t feel too bad because every race gets discriminated against for another in every job and it sucks if you not the â€œidealâ€? race for that job but I guess thatâ€™s just the way things are in this game. (Visualize) A Galka and Taru whm are you pt and your leader whoâ€™s main healer? Iâ€™d just feel better with an equally equipped and skilled taru whm it just seems that their race is better it.

Ps. I hope that made sense its only my second post.
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**Russta** · 10-06-2004, 11:39 PM

Meh, I tanked VT Weapons in Ru'Avitau for a leveling party the other day with Monk sub. I took no more damage than any average Paladin, race or otherwise, would have in the same position. Anyone ignorant enough to think you can't tank doesn't deserve you in their party.

**Maxamillian** · 10-07-2004, 12:09 AM

So Russ are you saying that a race with a with higher vit and hp's
wouldnâ€™t be a better tank? Thatâ€™s like saying a race with higher int/mnd and mp wouldnâ€™t for blm/whm mage. Higher vit means less damage but like I said before if you were invited to be tank then they should have no problem with you. When ppl see more then one race of the same job seeking pt they think of the basic race stats because they donâ€™t know what gear you have If Iâ€˜m seeking pt as a blm and if blmâ€™s of any other races are seeking I can pretty much count on me being the last picked up (I have a 50/50 chance with galka they have better int lol). So feel better in the fact that if you ever decide to play a mage youâ€™ll see the other side if the coin lol.

**Mephisto** · 10-07-2004, 03:56 AM

Yes but a well-played, well-equipped taru taru war is MORE than adequate (sp?) to tank pretty much anything. Lower level ppl dont understand that just because hes a taru doesnt mean he will automatically suck D;

**Russta** · 10-07-2004, 07:41 AM

Originally posted by Maxamillian
So Russ are you saying that a race with a with higher vit and hp's wouldnâ€™t be a better tank?

In some ways, yes I am saying that because playskill>equipment.

**JayblahX** · 10-07-2004, 08:36 AM

Re: The taru tank. (rant-ish)

Originally posted by Bluejoker1118
I have been lvling a Taru WAR for long time now. I have been decsriminated in EVERY pt i have joined so far. Either some cocky elvaan or some fat ugly galka all the time x.x;

Let's get something straight you fat toddler, Galkas are anything but fat. They are mesomorphs (thick and muscular) and ripped to all hell. Only playable race in the game that has the trappings of a six-pack (no other race has a defined ab-region) or defined musculature is Galka. The only obese playable race in the game are... Tarutaru (to be fair, some Galka and Hume NPCs have guts). Tired of hearing "omg Galka so fat" from unoriginal 'tards. Can't you people get some fresh material? No, I'm not overreacting or a bit touchy. Its just the "Galka are not fat" rant has been kindling in my mind for a while.

Ugly? Well, that's in the eye of the beholder...

That aside, I agree with Russta that playerskill and equipment will supercede any race benefits in many cases. However, that's not to say race doesn't matter, because it does. This is doubly apparent in situations where both players are within adequate gear or playerskill tiering with respect to one another. Let's face it, this game is not difficult to be a good player in.

Why is it so hard to understand that people feel more secure with a Galka or Elvaan tanking than a Taru? Its the same damn premise as I, a Galka/Elvaan (currently leveling an Elvaan through the lowbie shitfest) feeling more secure with a competent Taru WHM healing my ass. The room for error is greater, the stress is less for those supporting you, etc.

Also WARRIOR is an MP-less job, so the pro-Taru PLD stance of mythical uber-hate control goes out the window. Players of similar skill as a WAR hold hate the exact same way. The only difference seperating competent players as a WARRIOR is without a doubt their HP and VIT.

So yeah, I can understand where the discrimination comes from and yeah, it does suck. Keep in mind, I've gotten the same dosage of it when leveling Galka WHM (though I'll be fair and admit the ease of finding PT as a Galka WHM is vastly greater than finding one as a Taru WAR). In your case, you happily proved them wrong since you went the extra mile to gear up and eat food (as I did with my WHM), but anyone playing a Galka or Elvaan and playing like you did can go a step further.

And that really, is the sad truth about this game.

**Tamari** · 10-07-2004, 09:38 AM

and i would like to point out that galka are stinky and have stupid names for ther NPC's and they always sit on me x.x; :mad:
i have galka friends and i make fun of them for being galka like i make fun of elvaans and call them dhamal's i call taru's onion's but i dont discrimante when it comes to play abillity if you really wana be a Taru war go at it!! taru's have awsome Dex and Agi
not as good as Mithra but if you want to play Taru and be a war go for it dont let anybody hold you down

**Bluejoker1118** · 10-07-2004, 10:54 AM

Originally posted by Maxamillian
Well your post talks about how you hate being discriminated against as a taru tank, but you discriminated against the elvvan blm and the hume smn as well as call the â€œmelee basedâ€? races stupid. You should understand that with the same gear and assumeing equal skill that most any other race would be better at war tank same as assuming that with equal skill and gear taru would be a better mage then most any other race. If the party invited you to tank then you should be the tank if not do the job you were invited to do, no pt that Iâ€™ve ever been in starts without designating a tank. So donâ€™t feel too bad because every race gets discriminated against for another in every job and it sucks if you not the â€œidealâ€? race for that job but I guess thatâ€™s just the way things are in this game. (Visualize) A Galka and Taru whm are you pt and your leader whoâ€™s main healer? Iâ€™d just feel better with an equally equipped and skilled taru whm it just seems that their race is better it.

Ps. I hope that made sense its only my second post.
:sweat:

yes i did descriminate the Hume BRD...because the Elvaan BLM wanted him to main heal. OH i descriminated the Elvaan BLM cause he had no +MP gear and had a total of 100ish MP...no thanks

**Voila!** · 10-07-2004, 12:19 PM

I don't like Taru warriors, they get one shotted too often. I had a party where every leveled twice but the taru war because he INSISTED on tanking the greater pugils and was continuously being screwdrivered.

Fortunately for me I don't run into the taru tank too often because it's me who tanks. I'm a mithra and I tank well. No single shot deaths and I hit pretty hard to boot.

**Bluejoker1118** · 10-07-2004, 12:29 PM

he sounds gimp since ive never been one shotted by screwdriver

**flipmazzi** · 10-07-2004, 12:29 PM

Dude you talk about how you hate being discriminated against, but then you discriminate just as much. That was one of the more hypocritical posts ive seen on this forum.

If you are going to discriminate against others, don't whine and complain about how others discriminate against you. People who can dish it but can't take it are worthless.

It is a fact that any well prepared player can make any job good, just as any under-prepared player will make it easily as bad, regardless of race. Based on this, it is a fact that there is nothing wrong with a Taru WAR. Only inexperienced players will say otherwise.

However, you can't deny that the other races are better for tanking. A well prepared Elvaan WAR is better than an equally prepared Taru WAR.

Also, I must say that I'm a very proud tank (it seems that you are too), if some little Taru is trying to out tank me after the party has decided that I am tank, that pisses me off. Doing that is just creating anger that is unneccesary. I realize that the party made a wrong decision by picking the inferior tank, but u could at least give the other guy a chance, and if he isn't doing the job well then suggest that you should tank as well. Its a much nicer way of doing things.

In response to your second case, the mithra mnk is just an idiot.
Otter is also an idiot.

I'm not trying to flame, its awesome that you are a well prepared Taru, but you seem to play like you have a lot to prove, because you want to prove that Tarus can be good tanks.

**Bluejoker1118** · 10-07-2004, 12:32 PM

Originally posted by Bluejoker1118
yes i did descriminate the Hume BRD...because the Elvaan BLM wanted him to main heal. OH i descriminated the Elvaan BLM cause he had no +MP gear and had a total of 100ish MP...no thanks

read this before you say im a hypocrite...

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