Ninja nerf and how it affects us

[Ozymandis]

By now I'm sure everyone has seen the announcement that all area attacks will dispel Utsusemi. I don't really care so much about that, as there are many more PLDs, anyways. What I do care about is how this affect WAR/NIN and tanking.

My first thought is- it's not that bad. We can still wear the heaviest armors. Plus, I dunno about you, but I mostly just blink the first six hits, and then if I can get a smart DRK that tosses me a Stun, maybe once more in battle.

Post-74, hmm... I dunno.

[hackattck]

can ya get a link up to da info?

thanks

[retrosolid]

I think it affects NIN/WAR a whole lot more than it does WAR/NIN. I'm not sure about others, but I use utsusemi as more of a means to retain the hate I create than to keep myself alive. I'm obviously not 74+ yet but I'm not seeing how losing blink for 20-40 secounds or less would really hurt WAR that much. For HNM I can see it as a problem, but everything my 75 buddies tell me leads me to believe there is almost never just 1 Blink tank on most of them anyway.

But it could also be a very good thing too :p If it cancels blink like -ga spells that means that AOE TP attacks would no longer go throught blink like it does now. One big example I can think of (and I'm sure there are many more) is the Antica's AOE silence and petrification effects. If you have Blink it will (in theory) now take the hit instead of busting through and silencing or erasing hate...causing even more problems than the 2-3 hits of dmg would. :spin:

[Nameless]

I was assuming that by dispel it meant that all shadows would be wipped and that you would still get hit.

Example: You get hit with Diaga, it's going to erase your shadows and at the same time hit you for some amount of damage and put the dia effect on you.

But I guess I'm a glass is half empty kind of guy.

[pdac]

I already read the update info. Here's the low-down:

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The effectiveness of the ninjutsu "Utsusemi" now relies on the type of attack that is being used on the caster. When attacked, the following five outcomes can occur:

Caster evades attack and one "copy image" is lost.
This normally occurs when the caster is hit with a single physical or magical attack.

The number of lost copy images varies.
This normally occurs when the caster is hit with an area attack such as Whirl of Rage. The number of copy images lost (and extra damage taken) is calculated by taking into account the potency of the attack as well as the caster's current ninjutsu skill level.

All copy images are lost and the caster takes damage.
This normally occurs when the caster is hit with an area attack spell such as Firega.

The caster takes damage without losing any of his/her copy images.
This normally occurs when the caster is hit with breath, or self-destruct type attacks.

The caster is enfeebled without losing any of his/her copy images.
This normally occurs when the caster is hit with an enfeebling spell that does not inflict damage, such as Silence.
All enemy attacks fall into one of the above categories.
The copy images created by the spells Blink and Aerial Armor can also be removed in the same manner as that explained under "the number of lost copy images varies" (above).
When area attacks which applies as the outcome, "The number of lost copy images varies," are used against target with "Blink" or "Aerial Armor," all copy images will be lost, thus dealing damage to the target.

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Looks like things are still ok, utsu-wise.

[pdac]

I already read the update info. Here's the low-down:

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The effectiveness of the ninjutsu "Utsusemi" now relies on the type of attack that is being used on the caster. When attacked, the following five outcomes can occur:

Caster evades attack and one "copy image" is lost.
This normally occurs when the caster is hit with a single physical or magical attack.

The number of lost copy images varies.
This normally occurs when the caster is hit with an area attack such as Whirl of Rage. The number of copy images lost (and extra damage taken) is calculated by taking into account the potency of the attack as well as the caster's current ninjutsu skill level.

All copy images are lost and the caster takes damage.
This normally occurs when the caster is hit with an area attack spell such as Firega.

The caster takes damage without losing any of his/her copy images.
This normally occurs when the caster is hit with breath, or self-destruct type attacks.

The caster is enfeebled without losing any of his/her copy images.
This normally occurs when the caster is hit with an enfeebling spell that does not inflict damage, such as Silence.
All enemy attacks fall into one of the above categories.
The copy images created by the spells Blink and Aerial Armor can also be removed in the same manner as that explained under "the number of lost copy images varies" (above).
When area attacks which applies as the outcome, "The number of lost copy images varies," are used against target with "Blink" or "Aerial Armor," all copy images will be lost, thus dealing damage to the target.

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Looks like things are still ok, utsu-wise.

[ddg]

Things aren't okay.

What if you're hit by another parties' AE? In the Crawler's Nest that's very common when people pull scorpians into the Beetle or Rumbler camps. This would cause a lot of chaos.

What about ancient magic? Those five conditions aren't very descriptive, and I would assume ancient magic would fall under a different category then magic.

I assume they havn't totally nerfed it, leaving it as a viable tanking spell. We'll all just have to beef up our ninjutsu spells as we level and include it in our search messages. It just might help us find parties now.

[Ozymandis]

It isn't really a nerf for Ninja at all. It affects WAR/NINs more than NIN/WARs, since our ninjitsu skill is lower.

But it doesn't really hurt us that much.

[Tokitoki]

on any -aga it wipes blink and you get hit, it doesnt take all the damage from the -aga spell.

Also, Ancient Magic isnt an -aga so it CAN be absorbed by Utsusemi, it doesnt say anything about the strength of the magic affecting the loss of a "copy image." And in-fact, just this weekend i abosorbed a Flood by the Black Mandragora in BCNM40 because i got too mauch hate and everyone else was asleep >.>

[Tokri]

The only thing that I understood from the update concerning utsu is that it is now dependent on ninjutsu skill and that enfeebling spells cast on you now go through your utsu (you still keep it) and you get the enfeeble.

Before the patch, if an -aga spell was cast on you, you lost all shadows and took damage, so there is no change with that. I think they just wanted to clarify all the possible situations that you can be attacked in, and how these situations affect utsu.

In summary, the only real "nerf" was the enfeebling spells and the aoe TP attacks of mobs now stripping more than one shadow depending on your ninjutsu skill, which affects /nin more than nin/.

[Tokitoki]

I ahd dia II casted on me by a quadav today and a shadow took it for me, everything is pretty much the same. But they give you a cool count of how many shadows the attack takes