Dex/Accuracy conversion. Almost there...

[Bigokk McGock]

I believe I am on the brink of cracking the DEX to ACC (AGI to EVA also) conversion, but there are some questions maybe some of you know the answers to help me close the gap.

While fighting Toramas (being level 62), I noticed that with +51 accuracy, some of them considered Low Evasion without Aggressor up. If I would remove my Royal Knight's Mufflers (+3 ACC), they would consider 'nothing' (not low or high evasion).

I will put a link to my work here for people to look at and maybe some one can help me come to a solid conclusion when I get some more answers. It's too long to expect everyone to read through all the equations and I don't want to make this a huge post.

I have questions that need answered first to figure it out further.

What is the level range of Toramas in Labrynth of Onzozo?

If Toramas had an Evasion rating, what would you rate it? A+? B+? B?

How high would you rate their AGI? 90? 80? 70?
(If we can figure out the DEX-ACC, we can also determine AGI-EVA because I believe they both work the same way)

How high do you need to be over the monster for it to consider 'Low Evasion'?

These are the 4 determining factors in solving this DEX to ACC conversion mystery.

You can look at my work here:
http://www.homestead.com/darxil1/files/equations.txt

After doing more equations (80 and 100 AGI) I have come to a conclusion...

CONCLUSION

From all the tests done above, I noticed two constant things happening:

The higher the EVASION SKILL the mob has, the more AGI it takes per EVA.

The higher the AGI of the mob, the more AGI it takes per EVA.

Could the same be said for DEX? Is that why there's no clear cut DEX to ACC or AGI to EVA conversion?

[Bigokk McGock]

90+ views and no replies ; ;

No one's excited or has a comment on 2 of the biggest FFXI mysteries being solved?

No one has been able to determine the exact numbers because there is no exact conversion between DEX-ACC and AGI-EVA.

It's all based on a curve:

The higher your Weapon Skill and +Accuracy gear, the more points of Dex you need to raise your Accuracy rating.

The lower your Weapon Skill and + Accuracy, the less points of Dex you need to raise your Accuracy rating.

The same works for Evasion.

This would explain why they couldn't give an exact figure when asked in the interview about how stats worked.

This would also explain why, at lower levels, you'll notice more of an advantage with +DEX when the +ACC is not yet usable.

Questions, comments, mommy?

[laicram]

Your 1st post was kind of confusing. The 2nd post makes more sense =P

Your curve theory is in-line with current trends of play. End game melee opt for acc over dex, evasion over agi (nin-tanks).

[Lmnop]

Yes. I think you're on to something. And maybe this is completely unrelated but I have to note it anyway:

your theory is that Dex is basically giving diminishing returns. But at what point does accuracy start to diminish? it's been discussed many times that once you get your acc high enough, each +acc gear seems to be a smaller jump. As you level up, you fight opponents with power that scales with you. Now if the Dex/acc formula = the agi/evade formula, and you were to graph your accuracy and the mob's evade, wouldn't they be like.... parallel or something? So let's say you're right, dex stops being useful. Is the accuracy/evasion plugged into a 2nd formula to determine even further diminishing returns? or is there a component I'm missing in this part that basically takes care of what I'm saying. I'm not good at math and I like honey.

NOTE 1: I also think Str- attack and Vit-Defense is the same way. go level a mule and get him to like level 4 warrior. I can almost guarentee that his attack = STR + weapon skill level. but if you try that at your level, it won't work so well.
NOTE 2: think S-E surfs boards and the devs wet their pants when they find someone that's cracked a formula?

[Armando]

Last time I checked 2 STR = 1 Attack and 2 VIT = 1 Defense, or am I wrong here? o.o;

[Bigokk McGock]

You'd be right, if anyone was speaking about STR/ATK or VIT/DEF here

p o.O p

[Armando]

You'd be right, if anyone was speaking about STR/ATK or VIT/DEF here

p o.O p

NOTE 1: I also think Str- attack and Vit-Defense is the same way. go level a mule and get him to like level 4 warrior. I can almost guarentee that his attack = STR + weapon skill level. but if you try that at your level, it won't work so well.

Sorry Bigokk, didn't mean to stray off-topic; just wanted to point out that the relationship between STR-Attack and VIT-Defense isn't based on a curve, it's linear

[Valius]

actually if i'm thinking of the same interview that Bigokk McGock is, they state that 1 STR = 2 attack and 1 VIT = 2 DEF. The one i'm refering to was from rpgrealm i think :sweat:

[Armando]

Strange...I'm pretty sure it took 2 STR for my character to gain 1 attack point. If 1 STR = 2 Attack I should have a lot more attack, I think. o.o;;

[CarbonFibre]

Originally posted by Lmnop
Yes. I think you're on to something. And maybe this is completely unrelated but I have to note it anyway:

your theory is that Dex is basically giving diminishing returns. But at what point does accuracy start to diminish? it's been discussed many times that once you get your acc high enough, each +acc gear seems to be a smaller jump. As you level up, you fight opponents with power that scales with you. Now if the Dex/acc formula = the agi/evade formula, and you were to graph your accuracy and the mob's evade, wouldn't they be like.... parallel or something? So let's say you're right, dex stops being useful. Is the accuracy/evasion plugged into a 2nd formula to determine even further diminishing returns? or is there a component I'm missing in this part that basically takes care of what I'm saying. I'm not good at math and I like honey.

At that point a combination of DEX+ and Accuracy+ gear would probably be optimal.

[Valius]

yes i agree Armando, I just tested out the STR/Attack relationship on my character and 2 STR made my attack go up by 1. What i cant figure out is why SE said its the opposite, STR and Attack cannot be a linear relationship. Actually now that i think of it the interview said STR increases your DMG potential and Attack brings you closer to that potential(less random dammage values from attacks). Hmmmm, thought provoking...

[Lmnop]

thanks for addressing my concern, Carbonfibre.

And yes, I found that link to that interview all of 5 hours after I posted

[Bigokk McGock]

My bad, I didn't see that comment. I was wondering where it came from as I was re-reading my post 3-4 times trying to find it :sweat:

[l)@RK-l)EVIL]

you cant test anything vs torama
from lv 1 to 64 i have never fighted with something have more evasion than torama and some mobs is thf type have +evasion job traits

plus STR/ATK AGI/EVA DEX/ACC they dont all work the same

+agi = more ranged accuracy - more evasion - less critcal hit taken

if you want offical things http://ffxi.crgaming.com/interviews/...iew.asp?Id=209

[Bigokk McGock]

I'm not trying to be rude, but did you even read my post?