Sarashi vs. Master Belt, Test Results

[Bigokk McGock]

I parsed a PT I was in on 7-26 and wore the Sarashi for approximately the 1st half and Master Belt the second half.

I took the first 10 battles of the PT using Sarashi and 10 battles near the end (before I dinged 61).

+38 Accuracy with Sarashi
+43 Accuracy with Master Belt

Here are the results from test 1:

Sarashi
Total Damage: 11,322
Avg. Accuracy: 84.10%

Master Belt
Total Damage: 9,674
Avg. Accuracy: 85.81%

Just to ensure my results, I took the next 10 battles with Sarashi and the previous 10 with Master Belt

Here are the results from test 2:

Sarashi
Total Damage: 11,097
Avg. Accuracy: 77.38%

Master Belt
Total Damage: 9,908
Avg Accuracy: 76.28%

Next and previous 10 battles, Test Set #3:

Sarashi
Total Damage: 10,661
Avg. Accuracy: 77.66%

Master Belt
Total Damage: 8,963
Avg. Accuracy: 81.90%

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Test result totals for 30 Battles with each:

Sarashi
Total Damage: 33,080
Avg. Accuracy: 79.71%

Master Belt
Total Damage: 28,545
Avg. Accuracy: 81.33%


These figures are pretty conclusive IMO.

With Sarashi, in 30 battles, I dealt 4535 more damage, but lost 1.62% Accuracy when compaired to 30 battles with the Master Belt.

Next Chapter:
Sarashi vs. Lifebelt

[laicram]

Yummy, and easy to digest information =D

[imstimpy]

Very impressive results.

Just to clarify, you were using both Sniper's Rings for the tests? The only piece of equipment being swapped was the Master's Belt and Sarashi which resulted in a difference of enhanced dual-wield and +5 ACC/+5 ATK, correct?

This demonstrates a couple interesting things.

First of all, the haste increases the damage output considerably. You saw an increase, on average, of 150 damage per battle. That is similar to increasing your STR by ~5, assuming a straight 15 attack turns per battle assuming no double attacks. Haste, as a spell, would now appear to be an efficient (and hateless) damage spell.

Second of all, +5 ATK holds nothing on haste. At this point in our careers (~lv60) our base ATK is sitting around 300 or so; after buffs we fluctuate between 400 and 500. If you follow the formulas here and assume the mob has 400 DEF and we have 500 ATK, you can see that an additional 5 ATK is going to have a fairly insignificant shift on the damage curve averaging out to around 2 damage per hit on a Darksteel Axe +1. It is cubic, though, so a greater difference between attack and defense will be even more of an increase.

Finally, +5 ACC is working out to be an increase in about 2% accuracy. I've heard a lot of people argue that they are hitting often enough that increasing their accuracy more wouldn't do too much. If this is a linear increase, then every 5 ACC is good for 2% each; the lifebelt being good for 4% ACC, the Haubergeon 4%, Viking Axe 4%, Sniper's Ring 2% etc. As a single point, ACC isn't going to gain much. Pulling 2% accuracy is going to take 3 battles before you have missed the extra two times for a loss much less than the gain generated by haste. There is, no doubt, some sort of random modifier in there so you will still miss even with 100% accuracy.

[tomiko]

Intriguing.
Did you have a bard in the PT?
With other nice ACC equip, Snipers, Haubergeon/Hauberk, Viking... it seems the speed helps a lot.
Once I farm my haub i guess i'll try out that belt.

Damn endgame with that and that dual wield earring from Arch Angel BCNM.. optical hat, haub, 2 50 dmg axes... or better a ridil and a big axe... war/nin is such a powerhouse!
Buff up that war/nin with hastes and bard's songs...Mighty Strikes can be like 100-Fists x Mighty Strikes!

[Snowveil]

impressive as always Bigs, love the research. you remind me of a field professor, always after The True Knowledge ^^

quick point:
i've been under the impression that accuracy is considered to be a diminshing returns affair, since it's a linear gain, after about 25-30 the added effect it has is rarely worth losing ATK or STR.
with that in mind, not everyone 60+ has super awesome gear like yourself (i sure as hell dont, as a 63 war my +acc is 28 =D)
so wouldn't the benefit of sarashi be dependent on how much +acc gear one has in the first place? obviously if you are a cheap ass and have only say +22 or so, and you drop your life belt for a sarashi - then you are looking at a total of +12 acc, seriously gimp even with aggressor factored in.
thoughts?

[ZQM]

What were you fighting?

Not have +acc is really going to hurt when fighting IT THF gobs, Coreuls, ect.

[Nameless]

Originally posted by tomiko
Intriguing.
Did you have a bard in the PT?
With other nice ACC equip, Snipers, Haubergeon/Hauberk, Viking... it seems the speed helps a lot.
Once I farm my haub i guess i'll try out that belt.

Damn endgame with that and that dual wield earring from Arch Angel BCNM.. optical hat, haub, 2 50 dmg axes... or better a ridil and a big axe... war/nin is such a powerhouse!
Buff up that war/nin with hastes and bard's songs...Mighty Strikes can be like 100-Fists x Mighty Strikes!

I don't think we get optical hat :/

[ZQM]

Originally posted by Nameless
I don't think we get optical hat :/

We do.

[Nameless]

Weird.

I have never seen any WAR wearing one.

[Synbios]

Optical hat is for all jobs.

[Bigokk McGock]

Yes, we had a Bard was playing +ACC and +ATK as far as I remember.

We were fighting Velociraptors and Perytons in Valley of Sorrows.

[laicram]

Can you do one with Swordbelt +1?

[Bigokk McGock]

I have requests atm from the other boards I post on as well.

I have requests on doing one vs lifebelt, one without Haubergeon (or the -10 Acc to equate to not having it) and now one vs. Swordbelt+1.

I plan on doing a whole other set of tests for the direct effects of ATK, ACC, STR, DEX, AGI also. It's going to be a long process, but well worth it.

My goal is to make as clear as possible and take the guess work out of equipment and what stats/items make the best choices

[Xien]

I think you should start most test without a bard. That madrigral
I think, would tip the accuracy scales a lot.

Xien

[Thark601]

Originally posted by Snowveil

quick point:
i've been under the impression that accuracy is considered to be a diminshing returns affair,

that is most definatly true, meaning without a brd the life belt may be the wiser choice ^^ keep up the testing you've not proved your point yet