WAR vs DRK

[kumaeru]

Originally posted by Nameless
I've never seen a DRK do a 560 damage sata sturmwind

Well.. I've never seen a War do a 1200-1400 Cross Reaper / Spin slash. That gave an extra 1200-1400 Dark/Light Renkei bonus >.>;;;;; (best was Taking down Processionaire from near full HP to death with 1 renkei). Add a Rng that solo's Sidewinder every other crawler. And you have a PT making 4000-4500 exp an hour ^^


But as Russta said, it may become tiresome later lvls for Drk.. doing the same thing over and over every battle. I may go Taru War after I get my Drk to 75 (or possibly a mage type job).


Many people are comparing War vs Drk pre 60. Well sure.. but Drk do not get any really good WS before Guillotine. That's the reason why many Drks love guillotine; because it is a good WS that actually does good damage (however 5 lvls later Drks forget about guillotine and love Cross reaper). War gets Sturmwind around 300-600 dmg, Rampage which is around 500-600 pre lvl60.

And of course can't forget Raging Rush at 60 which IMO is very strange dmg wise. Ive seen it get as low as 100dmg to as high as 800-900 dmg (however I think double attack played a roll in the high damage ones). Full Break is around 600 damage max. I however have yet to see Mistral Axe.

As for Drk's.. Pre60 highest damage we would probably get is around 300 Vorpal Scythe. Vorpal Scythe can get around 500-600 though, but Drk would need War Sub, and have Double Attack go off. lvl 60 Drks get Guillotine; Guillotine avgs about 600-700dmg. Guillotine can however also reach 1000 dmg quite easily. You will see lots of people love Drks when fighting lvl 60 monsters because at that lvl the monsters have a pretty low amount of HP. dealing 1000 dmg takes about 1/2 the monsters HP bar.


Drk 225's IMO is where Drks tend to shine most.. however at this point Drk would be subbing Thf and become the hate displacer in PT's. It's fun doing over 1000 damage, and seeing a 1000+ damage renkei bonus... kinda makes you all warm inside (˘д˘)ノ

Actually I think the only way I would lvl War (another melee) is if I was garunteed to have a static PT.

Btw Russta, Taru Cross Reaper just looks awsome :p You should try it at least. Taru basically spin in mid air. Hitting monster once going up and hitting 2nd time as they hit the ground.

[kumaeru]

Originally posted by MeleeFighterFF
lol this is just simply amazing lol

you're still INSISTING that war/nin is a damage dealer?

please...

im a lvl 36, almost at 37 now...

id really like for (especially one of you tarus ...that would be fun) one of you war/nins on midgardsormr around my lvl to party with me...ill spam boost berserk and focus, and just decimate the enemy while u try to damage deal with a tank...there is NO way you're going to outdamage a mnk or drk at any lvl...

of course you idiots if the mnk or drk was HORRIBLY equipped and you are god, you'll outdamage him...that's not what we're talking about we're saying Job Vs. Job. Not gimp vs god...you try to twist this to something it's not.

Not only that, just on a side note...i had to tank for 3 hours in a party last night with Mnk/war because the war we brought with us simply had no idea what he was doing, and was kicked out of the party in 6 fights, why?

BECAUSE HE REFUSED TO VOKE OR TANK...ALL HE DID WAS JUST KEEP INSISTING HE WAS A DAMAGE DEALER!

I know...im sure i know what's coming : GIMME PROOF, I NEED PROOF! ...losers

when the guy said "im a damage dealer" the whole party went nuts on him explaining the same things that I've explained to you on here

your war/nin is a GIMP dmg dealer but a GREAT tank...why do you fight this so hard? just play your role, let the jobs that were made for the SOLE reason of dmg dealing, do the dmg, and the jobs that were made for BLINK FUCKING TANKING tank...

stop being so stubborn about what your war is, because quite frankly, it's not a whole lot post 30 compared to other jobs...

like i said, there's plenty you can do with it, and it's got lots of "versatility" but if you wake up and wanna be tank man for the day, parties will always invite the nin/war or pld/war before u...always. If u wake up on the other side of the bed and want to be this uber dmg dealer you think you are the other 50% of the time, parties are ALWAYS going to pick a mnk, drk, or ranger for the dmg dealing slot over u...always.

nobody ever says..."shit we need a war"...lol and u know it...

and you're gonna sit and point at your 1h axe WS? are u crazy...u think that those make u outdamage mnks and drks? i can tell u firsthand that mnks WS are UNBELIEVABLY more powerful than a wars...and a drks? have u guys never partied with a drk ? Keep pretending you're a dmg dealer, and using weapons that are there for your ability to do good dmg but still use a shield for TANKING (TANKING!) ....

i still stand , and it's not a matter of debate...it's fact...that saying "war/nin's do the highest melee dmg in the game" is just a total fuckin joke...the most clueless thing I've ever heard someone say on here.

Hmm first time I realized you're on Midgard.... ohh you're lvl 37 now.... thats a big accomplishment, congrats man. Just to say something however War/Nin dual weilding axes actually does give more damage output than a War with a greataxe. See a War weilding dual Viking Axes and wearing all the +str +attack he can get (yes byrnie too).

Mnks are great on Bones and decent on other things... but ohhh I dont think you are at the lvl to be actively fighting bones now are you? I am not attacking Mnks.. but simply stating there is more in the game that you have no clue about. Btw.. melee since you are on midgard.. have you ever met a guy called Ceciliantas.. oh I'm sure you probably have heard of him. And from the looks of it, you guys would pair up like long lost brothers.

Basically when it comes down to it... War/Nin is a damage dealer. 65+ is when you basically every War sub Nin.. why?... Mistral Axe. Oh but how is a pompous Rank 3 lvl 37 Mnk supposed to comprehend how lvl 3 renkeis work. Ok War may not be the best damage dealer.. it would be quite stupid if the game was made where all melee jobs did very similar damage but had different looks/animations. What war does however is provide a 2ndary tank for Fuidama, with consistant damage output. They may not be doing the insane 1k+ dmg WS'.. but the damage is still there.

There are many things that you are saying that is false just because you are not experienced enough to understand. You say War is "not a whole lot" post 30... you are very ignorant to say such a thing seeing as how you are only 7 lvls higher than 30. Just a reminder Post 30 means 30-75. And you will find PT's that say "shit we need a war" just because War are good dmg dealers, War/Nins included. As Drk I have made my own PT's since 50-66+ And almost everytime I look for another melee I look for Rng first then War 2nd. Drks dont PT with Mnks much unless the Mnk is used for Fusion Renkei and Drk can just Spin slash after it for Light.


You're ignorance has been very disturbing, so I ask what you're ingame name may be. I ask now instead of searching for it ingame so I may save the time to /blist you.


Oh btw to add to all this. War/Nin is only good tank at 74+.. so at you're lvl 37.... War tanks arent as good as Nin's. So with you're vast knowledge of lvl 1-37 its hilarious that you love War/Nin tanks so much. Blink tank isnt Blink tanking if you dont have Utsusemi: Ni. Nin's from 1-37 rely on Utsusemi: Ichi and the Slow Ninjitsu (Hojo: Ichi I think) and all their +Evasion to get them higher lvled.

So, in Layman's terms... you dont even understand most of the things you are preaching about. And you're vulgar instability gives all the more reason to ignore you're pathetic attempts of proving you're opinions.

[Nameless]

Originally posted by kumaeru
Well.. I've never seen a War do a 1200-1400 Cross Reaper / Spin slash. That gave an extra 1200-1400 Dark/Light Renkei bonus >.>;;;;; (best was Taking down Processionaire from near full HP to death with 1 renkei). Add a Rng that solo's Sidewinder every other crawler. And you have a PT making 4000-4500 exp an hour ^^

As I said later on, this is the most I had seen up to 39, I'm not 65 yet

[kumaeru]

Originally posted by Nameless
As I said later on, this is the most I had seen up to 39, I'm not 65 yet

I understand that, I was just relating to how comparing WS may not be the greatest way to compare damage. I got further into it later in the same post.

[navpops]

Originally posted by MeleeFighterFF


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[neighbortaru]

kumaeru

so guys, we haven't seen melee respond anymore. you think he gets the idea yet?

[Synbios]

Originally posted by kumaeru
Well.. I've never seen a War do a 1200-1400 Cross Reaper / Spin slash. That gave an extra 1200-1400 Dark/Light Renkei bonus >.>;;;;; (best was Taking down Processionaire from near full HP to death with 1 renkei). Add a Rng that solo's Sidewinder every other crawler. And you have a PT making 4000-4500 exp an hour ^^

Drk 225's IMO is where Drks tend to shine most.. however at this point Drk would be subbing Thf and become the hate displacer in PT's. It's fun doing over 1000 damage, and seeing a 1000+ damage renkei bonus... kinda makes you all warm inside (˘д˘)ノ

Do remember, if not for the Mistral Axe, you won't see the 2nd 1k from your WS.

[Sasarai]

Actually as a Nin 1-37 Tarutaru with very crappy gear, I can say that War/nin might be the better tank 24-37.

No hairpin, no leaping boots, no chainmail, no federation gear.

Just tarutaru RSE, beetle, soil, lasted me all the way to 37. I only used utsusemi ichi, but I always had 2 nin or /nin in party.

[SkyWing_]

Originally posted by kumaeru
melee since you are on midgard.. have you ever met a guy called Ceciliantas.. oh I'm sure you probably have heard of him. And from the looks of it, you guys would pair up like long lost brothers.

Say good bye to his long lost brotha, Ceciliantas is tryin' to get a WP to Pandamonium.

Looks like yall scared him away finally.

[Ariesknight]

Good job everyone, we taught this guy. Just wanna hear all is ok from Bigokk now...

[navpops]

Bigokk was just lowering his level down to talk to him, like when you baby-talk a baby, or talk weird to a dog. He had to go down pretty far.

[Ariesknight]

Ah, that explains his writing and lack of fluency and the utter BS he was writing. I thought he'd gone mad, but I understand now, his speech reflected Melee's and he had to use it so the dumb **** understood. Good job to him then! ^_^
Saludos a todos!
Ariesknight.

[Nameless]

I didn't read Kuma's second post because I somehow missed it, but it was genius The cecil comment was off the wall funny too.

[Darklyte]

Just a little back on topic

regarding wars on dmg-dealing ,the answer is a plain and simple yes.

on the war vs drk note , it is heavilybased upon lvl at least to where i'm at.

regardless of whatever bullshit drks throw at their forumsare whatever , it is nearly inhumanly possible for a drk to touch the dmg output of the warrior pre-60.

if u talking about equipment wise a war has no qualms about a drk's armor selection but since most of us here are the same jobs ,no poit explaining why.

Secondly , abilities come into play. Dark's often mention souleater as their main reason why the drk outputs so much dmg,sure it does but 6 mins and a hefty price of hp-loss penalties does affect its overall usefulness`whereas a war has the usual stuff no one here is not aware off.(taking into account the un-mentioned subjobs of the classes)

thirdly is WS availability.a war in the earlier lvls (pre-60) in this case wins hands down.Rampage/Sturmwind comes to mind for the 2 main weaponry of the war.

this is mainly where it gets hectic.
Nothing stops the drk from using sturnwind either(for those of u who are unaware of this ,drks CAN use sturmwind) and at such an early lvl the skill difference has not even begun to manifest itself hence a small lost for power.

Due to this ,subs can come into play to represent the difference in versatility/dmg-dealing.

a) If a drk even wants to remotely catch up to the war he NEEDS to sub war to himself to close the gap.
b)A war has all the given traits that a drk requires from the sub
thus now has an available slot for ,say thf when not tanking.

Due to the absence of sneak attack the drk is unable to truly catch up in terms of dmg ,since his sub was used mainly to rival some abilities of the war.

disclaimer: a drk's own abilities such as weapon bash,last resort,arcane circle arent even worth the time mentioning.
the Attack Up trait wih most people think makes u hit for 10 billion more is nothing but hogwash, Note: take a mnk at lvl 5 and boost till your face turn blue and do and attack and take note of the dmg differenece without it. the lvl 3 passive trait adds around the same amount. Str in this context is yet another moot point.

back to WS ,excluding Gaxe and the likes ,taking Gsword and scythes into account , ( i have had Gsword/scythe capped since lvl 1 till now) and i've had access to every WS available for both ,
the issue here is that Gsword >scythe for the 1st 49 lvls and your best move is surprisingly hard slash if u dont take into account crit-type WS.well that said ,the next decent WS comes out at 55 crescent moon (this stacks phenomenonly well with sneak attack for those non-war subbers out there) but STILL pales in comparison to sturmwind/rampage.

basically thats about it for war vs drk pre 60 just a plain slap to the face from wars.

Upon 60 the drk can access guillotine and sickle moon WS's from the 2 said weaponry , though i wouldnt go as far as to generalize , these WS do have the "potential" to do more dmg than what the war is capable of at this point and even more so at a later lvl i PRESUME ,since i am only 60 ,however most feel war drop a little lower in the dmg department due to their small transaction to a debuffer/Dmg dealer role AND the ability to tank once again.

p.s i've never witnessed mistral axe 1st hand but i'm pretty darn sure spinning slash outdmges since i've seem that 1st hand and the dmg is rather amazing.

On a small note can anyone tell me how is steel cyclone like ??
Someone told me it was a 4 hit WS ?!?

[kumaeru]

Hey darklyte

Anyways for Drks 65+ and for some Drk's 60+... we see War to be very great to have. Especially when they can get TP like crazy. With Agressor on and double attacking War is almost unstopable, combined with Gaxe its about 30TP for a successful double attack.

Hit for hit Drks come close/match War damage pre 60. However pre 60 Drk lose out in WS.


Im glad we can become more civil about this topic now =.=