WAR vs DRK

[modnar]

You guys still replying to this "MeleeFighterFF"?


Profile For MeleeFighterFF
Date Registered: 06-04-04
Total Posts: 62 (2.15 posts per day)

He has been here less than 1 month and his warning lvl is 24!! I say just ignore him. He can't seem to argue a point without insults, curses or... FACTS.

If he was worth his salt he would at least to come to realize a few things about himself and his posts...

[Guile]

Don't you get banned after a certain amount of warnings?

[MeleeFighterFF]

lol this is just simply amazing lol

you're still INSISTING that war/nin is a damage dealer?

please...

im a lvl 36, almost at 37 now...

id really like for (especially one of you tarus ...that would be fun) one of you war/nins on midgardsormr around my lvl to party with me...ill spam boost berserk and focus, and just decimate the enemy while u try to damage deal with a tank...there is NO way you're going to outdamage a mnk or drk at any lvl...

of course you idiots if the mnk or drk was HORRIBLY equipped and you are god, you'll outdamage him...that's not what we're talking about we're saying Job Vs. Job. Not gimp vs god...you try to twist this to something it's not.

Not only that, just on a side note...i had to tank for 3 hours in a party last night with Mnk/war because the war we brought with us simply had no idea what he was doing, and was kicked out of the party in 6 fights, why?

BECAUSE HE REFUSED TO VOKE OR TANK...ALL HE DID WAS JUST KEEP INSISTING HE WAS A DAMAGE DEALER!

I know...im sure i know what's coming : GIMME PROOF, I NEED PROOF! ...losers

when the guy said "im a damage dealer" the whole party went nuts on him explaining the same things that I've explained to you on here

your war/nin is a GIMP dmg dealer but a GREAT tank...why do you fight this so hard? just play your role, let the jobs that were made for the SOLE reason of dmg dealing, do the dmg, and the jobs that were made for BLINK FUCKING TANKING

[neighbortaru]

yeah 30 i believe. i'll give you one thing, he sure is a feisty one.

[MeleeFighterFF]

lol this is just simply amazing lol

you're still INSISTING that war/nin is a damage dealer?

please...

im a lvl 36, almost at 37 now...

id really like for (especially one of you tarus ...that would be fun) one of you war/nins on midgardsormr around my lvl to party with me...ill spam boost berserk and focus, and just decimate the enemy while u try to damage deal with a tank...there is NO way you're going to outdamage a mnk or drk at any lvl...

of course you idiots if the mnk or drk was HORRIBLY equipped and you are god, you'll outdamage him...that's not what we're talking about we're saying Job Vs. Job. Not gimp vs god...you try to twist this to something it's not.

Not only that, just on a side note...i had to tank for 3 hours in a party last night with Mnk/war because the war we brought with us simply had no idea what he was doing, and was kicked out of the party in 6 fights, why?

BECAUSE HE REFUSED TO VOKE OR TANK...ALL HE DID WAS JUST KEEP INSISTING HE WAS A DAMAGE DEALER!

I know...im sure i know what's coming : GIMME PROOF, I NEED PROOF! ...losers

when the guy said "im a damage dealer" the whole party went nuts on him explaining the same things that I've explained to you on here

your war/nin is a GIMP dmg dealer but a GREAT tank...why do you fight this so hard? just play your role, let the jobs that were made for the SOLE reason of dmg dealing, do the dmg, and the jobs that were made for BLINK FUCKING TANKING tank...

stop being so stubborn about what your war is, because quite frankly, it's not a whole lot post 30 compared to other jobs...

like i said, there's plenty you can do with it, and it's got lots of "versatility" but if you wake up and wanna be tank man for the day, parties will always invite the nin/war or pld/war before u...always. If u wake up on the other side of the bed and want to be this uber dmg dealer you think you are the other 50% of the time, parties are ALWAYS going to pick a mnk, drk, or ranger for the dmg dealing slot over u...always.

nobody ever says..."shit we need a war"...lol and u know it...

and you're gonna sit and point at your 1h axe WS? are u crazy...u think that those make u outdamage mnks and drks? i can tell u firsthand that mnks WS are UNBELIEVABLY more powerful than a wars...and a drks? have u guys never partied with a drk ? Keep pretending you're a dmg dealer, and using weapons that are there for your ability to do good dmg but still use a shield for TANKING (TANKING!) ....

i still stand , and it's not a matter of debate...it's fact...that saying "war/nin's do the highest melee dmg in the game" is just a total fuckin joke...the most clueless thing I've ever heard someone say on here.

[Guile]

MeleeFighter, I really don't think anyone cares that you can't comprehend that a warrior is both a tank and a DD. It's not like it matters what you think.


[Sarcasm] O NO!! Some random guy who posts on ffxionline.com thinks the combo war/nin CANT DEAL DMG!! OMG I guess we all will have to quit and become a drk or mnk so we can do 9999 dmg a hit!!!211[/sarcasm]

[neighbortaru]

i dunno Guile, I think he traumatized Bigokk pretty badly. He's quitting war now to be a DRK.

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[MeleeFighterFF]

as expected...nothing intelligent, just ways to make eachother feel like war is still what u think it is...even though it's been shown , it's not.

ive gone over this with you dozens of times...

NOBODY NEEDS YOU TO DEAL DAMAGE AND TANK...YOUR "VERSATILITY" ONLY GIMPS A PARTY, BECAUSE YOU DO NEITHER ONE AS WELL AS A SPECIALIST DOES!!!

that's it...this isnt something that can be argued...

a party has NO purpose for someone that can play mulitiple roles...if there were 3 people in a party, maybe, but there's 6.

they need a tank they pick up a pld, they need dmg they get a rng, drk, or mnk.

Nobody sits and says "shit, no versatilities seeking"

they dont need you to do 2 things pretty good, they need you to do 1 thing great...

and a war is just that, it's strength is versatility for the first 30 lvls or so...after that you need to shit or get off the pot about deciding what you want to do...cause you can't be a damage dealer AND tank...that's not the way the game works...

notice how my challenge was ignored, just like the drk's challenge was ignored...because you KNOW you can't outtank a pld and you KNOW you can't out damage a drk or mnk...

you (wars) are the only ones that view this versatility as a major contributor to a party ...everyone else just views it as a drag on exp...you either require TONS of cures (if you're tanking) or take longer to wear down the mob (if dmg dealing) than the jobs that were designed to do one or the other but better than u can do it. If you want to keep arguing something that is FACT the way they designed the game...do so intelligently, dont come on with stupid taru taru cute faces and nothing to add other than stupid little 10 year old comments.

again, the only people who have EVER called a war/nin a dmg dealer are wars...just the 4 or 5 of you on here actually....do you know how many whm's HATE having wars in their party? why? because of what i said earlier, you require 2 dozen cures a battle and have very few tools to keep hate, as opposed to a pld. And if you're dmg dealing, they have to keep curing the tank longer because it takes longer to kill the mob as opposed to if you had an actual dmg dealer role playing the part.

War is the best subjob in the game...(pretty close with /thf actually) imo.

but as a main? it lacks what every other job has...a specialty. Tell me when a party would need your versatility...why wouldnt they just get a pld, and a dmg dealer, why would they need u to come on in and be versatile...you're either a DD or Tank in this game if you're melee...if you're both, then you're nothing.

[MeleeFighterFF]

and again...let's keep this in focus now:

i have agreed war/nin serves a purpose...my personal favorite tank in the game

dont get me wrong i love pld's but I really like the style a war uses to tank especially with /nin.

bottom line is though is my personal favorite is irrelevant, although war/nin is a great tank, a pld is much better and much more productive to a party's time.

this is where it stops though...if you were to come in ANY party of mine that I've ever played in (hundreds) with war/nin and say "im the dmg dealer" you'd be out, why? cause people know that type already, they're one of the wars like you guys, who think the party will gain something from you being able to do 2 things...even though they made it very clear what your role is if you would check the party member list.

if they have a mnk, drk, whm, blm, rdm, and then they invite you, the war/nin...they need you to tank..go pull out berserk then and find out what the MORON war found out in my CN party last night...people dont want you doing that!

for someone to sit there as a galka nontheless, with war/nin and claim that 85% of their invites are for dmg dealers is a flat out bullshit lie and you know it.

why is it that wars have these unique experiences foreign to the entire rest of the fantasy world, but yet you party with the rest of the fantasy world...and report totally different things.

you guys have been so beat up in this thread it's unreal...

if you're a war/nin and you're filling in the dmg dealing role you're an asshole...read all my other posts to find out why, i can't just keep going over this...

it's the same thing as me insisting upon tanking wtih my mnk...can i ? yeah...as good as some plds? yeah cause some have no clue (like with every job), but am i a tank? NO!...all im doing is limiting my true potential by trying to be something that I'm not...so again, of course you CAN deal dmg with war/nin but not the kind that a mnk or drk could and why on earth would a party want LESS than what they could have? they're not going to...

tank with war/nin and you get a thumbs up from me...be stubborn beyond belief and keep DD with a TOTAL tank combo (that's all war/nin is for...that's what the job combo was created for) and you'll have half the success you could if you had played the game the right way...will u still lvl? yeah...will some ppl still think you did a good job DD? yeah...will you sometimes actually do a good job DD? yes...absolutely...will you do better than what a true DD couldve done? nope...would you be 3x more valuable to a party if you did what you were supposed to and tanked? yup.

there IS NO WAY to sit and call me ignorant or poke at a lvl 37 and say he's noob...

obviously not, you and i both know what im saying cannot be refuted without lying.

this is the way the game works...

people dont show up to play football with soccer cleats...why? they simply wont work out as well as football cleats...but will they still work? yeah sure..until you break your ankle.

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[Shann_Phoenix]

Too much junk in this thread and it has turned into a competition of who has the biggest penis.

If you go with war vs drk, war will deal more dmg than drk pre 65-66 because they have better melee abilities and ws. Drk is pretty much on the bottom of the dmg dealing list before 65-66 because they have poor ws and most of them are used as starter (vorpal scythe/power slash) for distorsion sc.

Post 65-66 drk/thf takes the deal with the ability to close both lvl 3 sc with high dmg ws, cross reaper and spinning slash, leading to 800-1000 dmg ws plus another 1k for the lvl 3 sc.

If you compare the war/??? as a dmg dealer

war/thf is good but SA is nerfed as a sub. /thf is usefull to get consistent dmg for ws. SA/spinning axe and SA/sturmwind are 2 ws combo that will deal over 300 dmg at almost every time. Might be good from 60-66 since you can do SA/TA raging rush and control hate that way.

war/nin is good dmg dealer on DoT, especially when using one of those swords with +12/14 attack on it (TM espadon, WW anelace). With war/nin i deal more dmg than the drk in my group, he does hit harder with his 528 dly barb scythe, but with viking axe/TM espadon i got a better Acc and hit faster than him with the 15% haste of /nin 25.

war/mnk is good from 50-60 for focus, which give a perma accuracy buff. If i use the GA i go war/mnk, if i need a 1h axe i'll use war/nin.

War/sam is pointless before 60 and even then the only benefit it gives it extra tp and with the tp nerf patch you cannot spam multi-hit ws anymore. Still a good combo for a GA user with breaker -> meditate -> enter sc with raging rush. /sam is probably more a quest/bcnm/hnm combo.

For meleefighterFF, your opinions doesn't really make sense since you are only a lvl 37 mnk and a lot of us here are over lvl 50. Just because you've grouped with only 1 bad war doesn't mean that all war are idiots. You're probably doing CN groups and in a lot of pickup groups in that level range in that place, there is at least 1 player that has no clue of what he's doing, either a mage missing key spell (like rdm with no dispel), player with underleveled subs and bad gear, or just a leecher that leveled to that point playing the we need a 6th and don't care what it is.

If you think war is only good as a sub, well you're mistaken. Most dmg dealers sub war for berserk and double attack, as a warrior i have those as with my base job so i can select a sub that will give me even more abilities to be either a better tank or dmg dealer. Maybe you should take this thread to the drk board, i'm sure you'll get along well with the resisdent troll there.

[Nameless]

Originally posted by MeleeFighterFF
as expected...nothing intelligent, just ways to make eachother feel like war is still what u think it is...even though it's been shown , it's not.

ive gone over this with you dozens of times...

NOBODY NEEDS YOU TO DEAL DAMAGE AND TANK...YOUR "VERSATILITY" ONLY GIMPS A PARTY, BECAUSE YOU DO NEITHER ONE AS WELL AS A SPECIALIST DOES!!!

that's it...this isnt something that can be argued...

a party has NO purpose for someone that can play mulitiple roles...if there were 3 people in a party, maybe, but there's 6.

they need a tank they pick up a pld, they need dmg they get a rng, drk, or mnk.

Nobody sits and says "shit, no versatilities seeking"

they dont need you to do 2 things pretty good, they need you to do 1 thing great...

and a war is just that, it's strength is versatility for the first 30 lvls or so...after that you need to shit or get off the pot about deciding what you want to do...cause you can't be a damage dealer AND tank...that's not the way the game works...

notice how my challenge was ignored, just like the drk's challenge was ignored...because you KNOW you can't outtank a pld and you KNOW you can't out damage a drk or mnk...

you (wars) are the only ones that view this versatility as a major contributor to a party ...everyone else just views it as a drag on exp...you either require TONS of cures (if you're tanking) or take longer to wear down the mob (if dmg dealing) than the jobs that were designed to do one or the other but better than u can do it. If you want to keep arguing something that is FACT the way they designed the game...do so intelligently, dont come on with stupid taru taru cute faces and nothing to add other than stupid little 10 year old comments.

again, the only people who have EVER called a war/nin a dmg dealer are wars...just the 4 or 5 of you on here actually....do you know how many whm's HATE having wars in their party? why? because of what i said earlier, you require 2 dozen cures a battle and have very few tools to keep hate, as opposed to a pld. And if you're dmg dealing, they have to keep curing the tank longer because it takes longer to kill the mob as opposed to if you had an actual dmg dealer role playing the part.

War is the best subjob in the game...(pretty close with /thf actually) imo.

but as a main? it lacks what every other job has...a specialty. Tell me when a party would need your versatility...why wouldnt they just get a pld, and a dmg dealer, why would they need u to come on in and be versatile...you're either a DD or Tank in this game if you're melee...if you're both, then you're nothing.

(Huh?!) When tanking I can take as little as 30 damage and as much as 45, I have 800hp (more than most PLDs). The only reason we are bad tanks is because we dont have magic, other than that we take the same damage.

I can do just as much as DRKs, SAMs, or MNKs. RNG? No, but no one can do that.

Your opinion of, UR NOT A ADV DD U IS TEH SUCK, is extremely jaded and wrong. You're a MNK, you suck because you're not and advanced job, you do shit damage to anything but Bones, huh?

I could go prove as many points of why I wouldnt invite a MNK as you can say about WAR, but it's wrong and you fail to realize this. WAR and DRK both have an A in str, what does this tell you?

You really have made no actuall points as to why WAR/NIN is a bad DD, and we've never said that WAR/NIN is meant to do 2 things. It's meant to pull, do a ton of damage, weaken magic defense for Renkei, and to outdamage your biased views.

war/thf is good but SA is nerfed as a sub. /thf is usefull to get consistent dmg for ws. SA/spinning axe and SA/sturmwind are 2 ws combo that will deal over 300 dmg at almost every time. Might be good from 60-66 since you can do SA/TA raging rush and control hate that way.

Sorry, even if it is nerfed I've done 560 damage with it and sturmwind at level 39. This is the most damage I'd ever seen from anyone up to that level.

[dworkin]

id take a war/nin over any other melee in the game. yes including a drk. but im a drk, an why would i want to of me in the group? i have some logic to such a case, an a mishap ingame that will end all talks. i am here to burry this thread!


the other night while teamed up with a war/nin vs my drk/war. i thaught id pay attention to damage an such for the course of the night, an i have to say it was always close. some battles i was the damage king, while other times i was in the backseat to the war. sometimes we'd miss other times, they would only land one of there atks. the one area that the war/nin won hands down, no contest, put a fork in me im done. it was the awesome power of there weaponskill. were all drks will suck, compared to a war.


second area of talk is the nin sub. why you ask. blink cuts down on the cure time. the only damage a good war will take is when AOE attacks land on them. second reason why it is good is the ninja powders. that will lower a mobs def to a certain element, thus making mb, an other spells more powerful. the deul weilf feature is another great reason why nin is subbed. 2 1 handed weapon a war takes depending on his mode is a killer in itself. 2 viking axes, with its +20 acc eliminates the need for 2 sniper rings, an now can add a +3 str ring. or maybe even 2.


third thing i would like to say is if not for a war/nin in a pt of mine, i would have for sure died. seems mid fight we lost our pld to a d/c. i then took some hate, an was getting hammered but the good war/nin they were jumped right into the role of tank an blinked the whole fight without skipping a beat., nobody died, exp chained it as well,


thats why a war/nin in my ingame experience is so special. thats why besides for a pld, rdm/brd, an whm they are so high in demand.an its why i look for them all the time,,,,