WAR vs DRK

[Ariesknight]

Here's an unusual post. I have in the last few days sen many tensions between people believing WAR are not damage dealers. But in a PT how do we really shape up against a DRK? Let's put this to rest for once. Can we or can't we Deal Damage?
2 Axe+G.Axe VS Scythe+G.Sword.
Agrressor vs Souleater.
WSs.
Just a few ideas. I am tired of people thinking we cannot deal damage, are they right or wrong. This troubles me as I am wanting to be a 75WAR/NIN and like it, but if we are gonna get bias and prejudice over dealing damage, is it worth it?

[kowboy]

Unusual post? Hardly....it sounds like every comparison thread about damage dealers that has ever been posted.

To answer your question bluntly, yes, WAR can deal damage. I'm not going to go into comparison about damage class 1 vs damage class 2....there are too many threads on it already.

And as a WAR/NIN, you'll most likely be offered a tanking role in a PT who cannot find a NIN or PLD around. THF sub is better for a WAR who wishs to deal damage.

[Nameless]

I've never seen a DRK do a 560 damage sata sturmwind

Also, I've never tried /NIN (I'm going to level it once I magically find 200k -_-), but, Great axe vs Scythe is about equal (someone in my ls told me they were doing 200 damage as DRK, but I find that to be complete bullshit, from checking the DRK forum they all say 120-140 is average, and at my level I do 100-140)

[Ariesknight]

I known I am a WAR/NIN and I am happy to tank, it is great. I am not looking to deal damage ATM, just trying to settle this damage dealing prejudice.
However I do not think it is quite you average X vs Y thread as it is the "red mage" of melee vs another melee, just as an analogy. However we can change ouselves for each role, so why the prejudice?

[ZQM]

Originally posted by Ariesknight
However we can change ouselves for each role, so why the prejudice?

1) We aren't an "advanced" job, which many new players think they're automatically superior.

2) There's sooo many new Warriorswho are only level the job to get to 30 to be an advanced job. Therefore, they do stupid things like not using an axe/gaxe, subpar armor, and not properly (or ot at all) using job abilites. This gives players the impression that Warriors aren't good at all.

[MeleeFighterFF]

why instanty compare a war to a drk when talking about dmg....mnk rips drk a new asshole in dmg...well lol, j/k...dont wanna start that up again, although it is argued, and up to lvl 36 now with my mnk, ive never been ONCE (seriously, say what you want, but it's the truth) even remotely close to outdamaged by a drk. I've even outdamaged some of the semi gimp RNG ive partied with..but when dealing with drk, they weren't gimped...just got outdone by another melee class.

Mnk has always been around in FF and will always be around in FF...but like war, some ignorant noobs just assume since it's not "advanced" (where TF! does that term come from anyway...who started calling them advanced...SE doesnt call it that...the game doesnt call it that..hmmm) like your war...

if u wanna be a dmg dealing war (that was my other option but i went mnk instead...i've discovered it being a better melee post 30 than war...just MO here though) do what Kowboy told ya...sub /thf.../nin and /mnk are not dmg dealing slots...they're tanks, war/thf...now that's a very effective combo.

as for drks's saying they do 200+ dmg ...well im at lvl 36 and i've seen Dragoons, Rangers, BLM's, and MNKS all do a WS for over 200...that's it though...so not saying that the other jobs can't do that..but ive never seen a drk max out on anything higher than 125...

im not starting up shit about drk again, just pointing it out, because when i did the first time ppl said "oh you're just a noob, your mnk is only lvl 22 you know NOTHING"...well now im a 36 (along with having war at 30 also) and im just recording what ive seen so far. I've probably partied with dozens and dozens of drk's at this point (with my war also) and i've never seen, but with ONE drk, any kind of uber dmg whatsoever...3/4 of them dont even use their Black magic ever..that's just ridiculous, all that's about is saving TP to try and compete with my Food+Berserk+Boost 250 backhand blow or the rangers 385 eagle eye shot. Like i said, ive seen a war using polearm embarrass a drk after he talked shit about his dmg dealing..heh, the war and myself were battling back and forth with the highest hits in that party..very close although that's on the WS...overall my dmg output was double the war's as it should be (dot). But the drk was very non active in the series of battles we fought. Do war/thf (use a g.axe...please) or mnk/war if you wanna do straight up melee dmg...war/thf has some fun also...cool abilities

again to the drk's out there...not bashing the job, just posting the facts ive noticed as of lvl 36 (almost 37)...in garliege we had a drk in our party who landed ONE...yes ONE hit and entire 3 minute battle with a beetle. that's disgusting heh. Don't give me "he was gimp he was gimp!" no he wasnt...the guy was DECKED OUT..seriously. It's understandable though, if i was a mnk without focus etc, i'd miss too, but not like that heh

[Ariesknight]

I am running a poll on another website, interesting to see the results. Anyways WAR/NIN are DDers. Dual Axe can sometimes outdamage G.Axe and Utsusemi allows Tanking Versatility which doesn't require you to boost up on Defender immidiately. Then you can use WS's in the following battle with Berserk behind the saftey of Utsusemi!

[MeleeFighterFF]

i dunno dude, all's im gonna say is loads of people are going to disagree with you there...war/nin is a tank, not a dmg dealer.

a war/thf would absolutely obliterate a war/nin in dmg output...ok maybe not OBLITERATE, but definitely close to it....that's not what they use war/nin for...it's the last step to creating the best war tank u can...

u have to look at it this way, i had loads of ignorance at one point myself on a couple things (it's a complicated game, with alot of aspects) still do even, im only in the mid 30's, although yes ...war/nin DOES do dmg, that doesnt make it a dmg dealer...i forget who said it, on the mnk forums, but they said it very very well...in a party you're just a cog ...that's it...and each one turns fora specific reason. War/nin can do some dmg...but a party is never going to ask the war/nin to berserk and dmg deal simply because of the fact that there's several other job combos that are going to put it to shame dmg wise...drg/war, sam/war, mnk/war, war/thf, thf/war, thf/nin, drk/war, rng/war etc,...they all deal literally 3-5 times the dmg a war/nin does in the course of an exp partie's night...it's not even remotely close.

it's like saying my 3rd baseman can pitch an inning or two if i need him to.....of course he CAN, but he won't...not if you have an actual PITCHER to pitch...then he'll never see the mound...ever. It's the same thing here, parties are only so uniquely different from one another but they all come down to "role slots"...and war/nin has no place in the dmg dealer slot..that is 9/10 going to be filled by a mnk/war, drk/war, or rng/war......the other 1/10 it's goin to a war/thf, sam/war or drg/war...that's it...war/nin will be asked to tank...i kinda thought the same thing too about "but ill be unique." no you wont...you dont quite dictate what your role in exp parties is...the exp parties dictate what your role is to you, and how? simple..you'll get invites saying "hey want an exp party ? ^^ we need a main tank" ...they're not going to want u to fill a dmg deailng role, and you are probably going to get 500 /tells in a row asking u to tank, and not one asking for dmg dealing.....what are ya going to do ...tell them NO IM A DMG DEALER...u'll never actually get to see the nice yellow letters saying "so and so invites you to his/her party"...they'll just go with someone else who is playing their job to the optimum.

Besides...why would u WANT war/nin to deal dmg...if u want dmg do war/thf or war/sam and u'll do more dmg plus it's not going to cost you 300k by lvl 30 just for your sub..the /thf sub actually just does the opposite, makes u big gil....if u want to deal dmg ...to be honest? dont even do war...again, yes it can do dmg, but that's not what ppl are going to ask u to do with it...unless you're post 55 and have a war/thf...still, you might get very few invites then...drk/war or mnk/war if u want the highest melee dmg possible...u just want the highest dmg overall? do rng or blm...but war is going to be outshined by these every time when we're talking dmg dealing

[neighbortaru]

Originally posted by MeleeFighterFF
i had loads of ignorance at one point myself on a couple things (it's a complicated game, with alot of aspects) still do even

yeah you still do. war/nin can be a very good DD, their dual axes do some wicked damage - better than G Axe even.

[MeleeFighterFF]

just noticed your war/nin is 32/13...

not trying to bust your balls here (honestly im not) but if
you're going to try to turn a tank into a dmg dealer, it's gonna be hard enough (realistically? it's not possible but..) on it's own, let alone if u have an underleveled sub...people are NOT happy about underleveled subs

just lettin ya know man, this game works a certain way , and there are certain die hard do's and don'ts...you CANNOT show up to an exp party with war/nin, underlevled nin , not all the nin tools, and then on top of that claim to be a dmg dealer which isnt your job in the first place....

i personally LOVE war/nin's...i party with em all the time, but none of them claim to be anything other than a tank, and since qufim, they aren't dealing much dmg...however, they're a great alternative to pld/war , that IS the uber war tank.../nin subbed...imho, but not as a damage dealer...

would be like me showing up... (seriously, this is the SAME thing) to an exp party with mnk36/war10 arguing that I'm the main tank heh, my ass would be out of that party so fast my mog would spin heh, and i know it!

[Bigokk McGock]

dunno dude, all's im gonna say is loads of people are going to disagree with you there...war/nin is a tank, not a dmg dealer.

a war/thf would absolutely obliterate a war/nin in dmg output...ok maybe not OBLITERATE, but definitely close to it....that's not what they use war/nin for...it's the last step to creating the best war tank u can...

I stopped reading your post after that, I could no longer stand the BS you were letting fly.

Ariesknight:
These are the kind of people I warned you about. Stay away from them, they cannot succeed in the game at higher levels with that kind of knowledge (false knowledge).

War/Nin outdamages War/Thf by about 10%, give or take 1-2% on average at 50+.

Prior to 50? Possibly, but never after level 50 will a War/Thf ever ever ever ever outdamage a War/Nin.

[MeleeFighterFF]

neighbortaru....

it's not I who has the ignorance... there you go again saying war/nin CAN do great dmg...yes but it's NOT a dmg dealer lol.


let me ask u this flat out...are you saying that a war/nin with dual wield is going to outdamage a drk/war, mnk/war or war/thf (with g.axe)???

if the answer is "No"...well then that's my point, why would u limit party invites by using a 3rd tier job class for it's role?

that and answer this: what percentage of parties do you think are going to want their war/nin to fill the dmg dealing spot?

[neighbortaru]

*sigh* see Bigokk's post above yours for all the proof you need.

ok, to further elaborate, the answer is yes, but it's situational. To make a blanket statement like WAR/THF obliterates all /sub as DD or that WAR/NIN is a tank is complete ignorance on your part.

[MeleeFighterFF]

lol, im so sick of this shit...here we go, you can't say ANYTHING negative about every job (even though EVERY job has weaknesses) without 4 ppl from that job (surprise surprise) class jumping all over it...read my post right above and answer those questions...

war/nin is a tank, NOT a dmg dealer and u are free to argue that a war/nin outdamages a war/thf...fine they're both wars..but tell me this

is your war/nin going to outdamage my mnk/war or somebody else's drk/war? tell me...

again, if that answer is NO, then wtf is the point of doing it?

i dont see how you can call me "ignorant" and my words "bs" when i say that a war/nin (a tank class) is outdamaged by the two highest dmg melees in the game...

[MeleeFighterFF]

no taru...answer the questions..they're EXTREMELY relevant to this thread

not answering them and just referring me to another person's post is the definition of ignorance...

i dont understand how this got into an argument ...

you're a moron if you think war/nin outdamages the DMG DEALING CLASSES!!! war/nin is a TANK...

there is no magical job class that tanks, deals white and black magic spells, summons avatars, finishes off renkei's the best, and on top of that deals uber dmg...there's no job that's better than all the others in everything..they do one thing or the other.