Taking it further

[Ariesknight]

I am thinking of tanking my WAR through to 75 as some people know. What would be the advantages of this versus my other choice which is picking up my 15 DRG again? I think the blend of ATK/DEF+Acc up with MNK sub is good, but are WARs well accpeted my PT all the way through (good invites? often?), etc.
Thanks in helping me make my decision.

[Nameless]

Level your sub first.

[lun4tic]

I saw a level 75War/37Mnk on Seraph, so it can't be that bad.

I myself am level 35 warrior, so I wont have the best info. I know warcry helps a bit at level 35, it's not as good as I thought it would be, but it's better then nothing. Only the AF boots are worth wearing in my opinion, they enhance double attack which is great for any occasion. At higher levels you might be chosen for damage dealing rather then tanking, but you'll most likely tank at all times if you don't have a paladin.

War/Mnk gives you more flexibility as to how you want to play, and makes for a much better tank then War/Thf or War/Nin. You'll probably be focusing on tanking a lot.

Oh yea, level your sub.

[Ariesknight]

You said we will do a lot of Tanking if no PLD, is it ok that I specialise in G.Axe and not 1H Axe? I really don't liek Axe+Shield since I believe WAR should be able to tank with heavy armour but still deal good damage with G.Axe. And with MNK sub, once I level it I will have +HP and even more with Max HP boost+Counter and Dodge to tank so can I still use my 2HAxe through to 75?

[lun4tic]

I still use a great axe, but it makes tanking a bit harder. The delay is pretty long giving everybody else the chance to steal the hate, but if you land a hit you'll have enough hate until you attack again. A regular axe swings faster giving you more opportunities to keep the hate. All higher leveled warriors use great axes though, it's pretty strong.

And at level 30, you need all the +dex and +acc you can get. Spike necklace, royal squires gloves, and the +2 dex rings really help. It may be expensive but it makes tanking much easier.

[sourjirou]

warrior AF has some incredible stats every peice is worth wearing imo. war cry is also good for holding hate. as for goin warrior main i think u should lvl up thief, nin, and monk to have more versitility. thief sub would be strictly dmg dealer with sneak attack, nin sub would be a blink tank and monk sub would be a mix of dmg dealer and a tank who can hold great hate.

[Bigokk McGock]

I disagree about the AF armor, every piece is not worth wearing (except boots and legs) unless you are tanking. Lousy HP and some emnity, oh yeah 3 accuracy and double attack +1 (which doesn't do very much).

I am very disappointed in the Warrior AF.

[DerekKnight]

Originally posted by Bigokk McGock
I disagree about the AF armor, every piece is not worth wearing (except boots and legs) unless you are tanking. Lousy HP and some emnity, oh yeah 3 accuracy and double attack +1 (which doesn't do very much).

I am very disappointed in the Warrior AF.

Fighter's Mask: HP+15 DEX+3 INT+1 Enmity+1 (DEX helps)
Fighter's Lorica: HP+20 VIT+5 [FIR]+10 Enmity+8 (This is pure tanking Armor, and very good. This piece ALONE as more enmity than almost any complete set of AF out there)
Fighter's Mufflers: HP+13 STR+4 Shield+10 Enmity+3 (STR+4, rockin, Shield Skill helps a lot when tanking with 1h Axe)
Fighter's Cuisses: HP+15 Accuracy+3 Evasion+3 Enmity+2
Fighter's Calligae: HP+12 AGI+3 Double Attack Up Enmity+1

There is not a single wasted stat in this entire AF line for WAR. People argue WARs don't tank at 60+ (till 74) this is partly true, however, wearing that Body piece WILL turn the mob toward, you and set up a nice SA+TA behind the main tank in an instant.

I personally think there's really no reason to replace ANY of this except the body piece for Damage Dealing (Haubergeon makes the perfect compliment).

WAR AF is actually one of the few, top to bottom, kick ass sets of AF. Don't get me started on how WAR AFII sets are... =)

[Ariesknight]

So are you saying it is fine for me to only specialise in G.Axe, 'cos with the added accuracy from Aggresor+Life Belt+AF+ Focus(later on) I would not miss often enough to lose the hate and with each swing I'd get the hate back on me. Just really don't like those tooth pick 1H axes.

[Bigokk McGock]

Valkyrie's Mask > Warrior Mask
Royal Knight's Mufflers > Warrior Mufflers
Haubergeon > Warrior's Lorica

Cuisses: 3 ACC, is better than nothing.
Boots: Enhanced Double Attack, looks good but doesn't really do much in reality. I don't really notice any increase in the number of double attacks.

Enmity is useful for tanking only. You will not use the Gloves, Mask, or Chest 99% of the time.

To be successful damage dealer, you need to be able to do as much damage as possible without stealing agro from the PLD, which sometimes even if you're careful, Warcry still steals agro when setting up for SC.

[tomiko]

Axes are NOT weak. -_-
They are the strongest single hand weapons in the game, plus once you get the 5-hit WS Rampage @lvl55 and Mistral Axe@lvl66 they will beat 2H axe. Best to try to keep both leveled. 1h axe will be easy to skill up.

WAR AF is goood! Double attack kicks in a lot, acc, str, dex,...and all that emnity is great for tanking... or u can transfer that hate with thf sub.

[Ariesknight]

In which case I'll buy a 2H Axe and a 1H Axe and Skill them both up together that way I'll have em both, anyone know how much a lvl 30 approx G.Axe and 1H Axe Cost?<---think cheap please<--this is only for skilling up for now so no need for uber yet before i farm!

[kowboy]

Originally posted by Ariesknight
In which case I'll buy a 2H Axe and a 1H Axe and Skill them both up together that way I'll have em both, anyone know how much a lvl 30 approx G.Axe and 1H Axe Cost?<---think cheap please<--this is only for skilling up for now so no need for uber yet before i farm!

Level 30 Gaxe = Centurion axe, can be bought with bastok CQ points. I think the axe before cent axe is plantbane, lvl 25. Both axes run for about 10-13k on my server.

I cant remember 1haxes around level 30, except for the Warrior's Axe (str,dex+1) lvl 32. Goes for 6k-ish on my server.

[Ariesknight]

Hmm..I'm looking for a 1H Axe and a 2H Axe which combined cost 7K...just to level them til I can start farming...perhaps Moth axe and War pick, how much do they usually go for, anyone?

[Nameless]

Originally posted by Ariesknight
Hmm..I'm looking for a 1H Axe and a 2H Axe which combined cost 7K...just to level them til I can start farming...perhaps Moth axe and War pick, how much do they usually go for, anyone?

War pick, the level 16 one? Why gimp yourself with that? You're a melee, armor are your spells, what if WHM didn't buy cureII because it costed too much? You're the stereotypical NA WAR who just wants to get to 30 get DRK job and be as gimp as possible.

You can definetly farm at 30. Go to Palborough or something and kill as many quadavs as possible, sell the shells, the fetich pieces, everything you pick up.

Moth Axe isn't even worth buying, it's like 6k on my server, take the extra time to make 4k and buy a cents axe. Same goes for axe, it's not going to cost more than 6k most likely.

And if you're not willing to farm for these don't expect to get your 100k lifebelt very fast.