OKAY! THAT'S IT! I'm ending this NOW!

[Walkman]

/rant on

Why in the hell do people say Humes can tank ... and Mithra's can't!? WTF, people! THEY ARE THE EXACT SAME RACE BESIDES THAT MITHRA HAVE A DEX INCREASE!! So, actually that would make Mithra's BETTER tank's than Humes. THEY HAVE THE EXACT SAME HP/VIT/STR ... EVERYTHING!

/rant off

Seriously, though, please explain to me why the common people believe this ... even the guide says it!

[Shark500232]

they could be judging the book by its cover and reading inbewteen the lines.

[Macht]

Because most of them are using a Third Party Level Calculator which states that when you get to lv. 70's + that the Mithra and Hume's stats start to differ. Mithra supposedly having much larger stats in DEX and AGI then Hume as well as Hume having better VIT then Mithra.

Problem is people rely on the Thrid Party information way to much following it almost religiously that they throw out all logic. In the end taking the 3rd party as fact even if it's proven as being incorrect time and time again.

[sudo]

nah, there are differences.

Mithra can tank just as well as hume in most cases but hume DO have more HP and slightly more vit than mithra.

Mithra have more points in dex, and Agi and also slightly higher MP than hume's. The difference is like only about 100 points difference in HP at higher levels but people generally make this up with gear.

If they were both EXACTLY the same, then mithra is obviously the better choice then since they DO have much more dex and AGI than hume with a chr penality. How is that going to be fair then?

So, yes, hume and mithra are quite simular but Hume DO have more HP's

(think racial balance, bastok = HP and VIT, windurst = mp, int, dex, agi, Sandoria = str, mnd)

[neighbortaru]

Re: OKAY! THAT'S IT! I'm ending this NOW!

Originally posted by Walkman
THEY ARE THE EXACT SAME RACE BESIDES THAT MITHRA HAVE A DEX INCREASE!! So, actually that would make Mithra's BETTER tank's than Humes. THEY HAVE THE EXACT SAME HP/VIT/STR ... EVERYTHING!

They do? I beg to differ. They may have the same (near same) starting stats, but it starts diverging as you gain in levels.

How does DEX make them better tanks?

Who ever said Mithras can't tank are just being ignorant. Sure they will not be as efficient has a high VIT race such as GAL or ELV, but they can still do it.

But think of it in another way. You're a whm right? Your Cure should be healing for bout 30 hp now. Let's say you have a Hume and a Mithra tanking (same gear, same DEF). The Hume with the higher VIT (and HP) would be hit for less than the Mithra. Perhaps this difference is just enough for you to get by with Cure I. Wouldn't you want that? Or let's say they are both being hammered, you can't cure yet cause you need to heal for mp. The Hume's extra HP might hold out just long enough for you to rest up a bit of mp for a last minute cure. The Mithra on the other hand, might have already bought it.

(just playing devils advocate)

[tomiko]

As its been said b4, Equipment and play experience/skill matters much more than race.

I've seen galkan whm and taru pld perform extremely well at higher lvls.

I've tanked:
BCNM40 for profit (200k+ ^^)
Shadowlord for rank6.
4 NM yagudo for windurst rank7.
And still going strong... tho I am always dmg dealer in XP PT.:p

[Walkman]

You're a whm right? Your Cure should be healing for bout 30 hp now.

Um, ya. Cure II doing 90 but that's besides the point.

Or let's say they are both being hammered, you can't cure yet cause you need to heal for mp. The Hume's extra HP might hold out just long enough for you to rest up a bit of mp for a last minute cure. The Mithra on the other hand, might have already bought it.

lol, I know this sounds mean but, that's their fault for not letting me rest till full MP/pulling an IIIIIIIIIT mob...

But yea, there ARE diffrances at higher levels. But, what?, someone said ...

The difference is like only about 100 points difference in HP at higher levels but people generally make this up with gear.

Ah, yes, someone did. 100 HP really isn't ANYTHING at higher levels.

How does DEX make them better tanks?

They slightly hit more (and more criticals) therefore wearing down the monster more. (Yes, I know the WAR's/PLD's job is not to cause mega DMG but more DMG is betta.)

So, not to shoot down your opinion's, I'm just retaliating.

I'm just ma... er, ticked at the people who have this mis-conception. :dead:

[neighbortaru]

heh, shoot away. It was a weak defense for the devil anyway...

people will always think certain races are more uber than another. partly from word of mouth, partly from bad experiences, partly from misinformation. nothing you can do bout it. just do your job and prove them wrong.

ok i see what you mean bout the DEX, but I wouldn't directly relate that to tanking.

(btw, you're taru. where'd this mithra affirmative action come from all of the sudden?)

[Stormwalker]

All I'll say is this.

Every Rank 7+ player I've asked about this (quite a few, because I've considered making a new character as an Elvaan because they are supposedly the best PLD race), tells me that race does not make much difference for a PLD at high level unless you are talking about a Taru. Including more than one high-level PLD I have partied with when they were levelling another job (and yes, I know they were high level PLD's, I have seen them running around Jeuno in their full AF). I have yet to have one high-level player I have spoken to tell me that I will be anything other than an excellent tank at high level as a Mithra PLD if I make the effort to have the proper gear and if I continue to play my job properly (and I am told that I play it well). This being said, I see no reason to change.

If the high level players say that a Mithra PLD can do the job just fine, I certainly am not going to argue with them.

[Walkman]

(btw, you're taru. where'd this mithra affirmative action come from all of the sudden?)

/ignorance on

'Cause I think they're shexy.




/ignorance off

I have a Mithra WAR actually ... and I was ina party right before I posted this topic. Well, one of the guys did a BAD miss-tell and put this in the party chat (I think it was meant for the leader):

"Why'd you get a Mithra WAR?? There has to be a Hume around ..."

I got pissed and left, told him to go **** himself, got out of FFXI, came here. lol

[Tokitoki]

About the DEX related to tanking, the more you hit, the more ahte you get, the easier it is to keep the mob on you, the better the tank you are. Answer that well enough or should i explain more?

I have SEVERAL 60+ Mithra PLD friends that i use to pt with when we first started late oct early nov, they have no problem getting PTs and sometimes get them faster than my Elv PLD friend who's around the same level they are.

The people have spoken .

[Rico]

The thing is DEX doesn't matter tanking, it matters more with VIT and... Hume is is 3rd best vit of the 5 races and hp pool and mithra is ranked 4th in vit and hp so the question is will you pick a galka war/mnk with like 640hp? or a mithra war/mnk with 545 hp? i leave that answer to you.

I don't care about races that much but if I see a galka war/mnk and a mithra war/mnk that answer is pretty simple they can take more hits and that = less downtime

Oh yeah

Hume Tank > Mithra Tank (STAT WISE)

A person keeping hate? thats skill.

[Hisdon]

Originally posted by Tokitoki
About the DEX related to tanking, the more you hit, the more ahte you get, the easier it is to keep the mob on you, the better the tank you are. Answer that well enough or should i explain more?

you get hate just for swinging, hit or miss, but it isn't much. The dmg PLD's do isn't a huge hate magnet but their fast swings help.

[MithraLover]

It all depends on who is behind the wheel, and how much stuff youa re carrying.

I'm level 17 now and am as tough or tougher than level 18's, 19's due to my equipment and the way I play.

I can easily take on monsters that give me 100+ XP per kill and still have enough left in me to fight a 21 XP monster or two with a little luck.

To really see what would be better you would need to take two completely maxxed out characters with completely maxxed out/synthesized weapon, armor, spells, job traits, etc, etc, and then add in what items they are carrying and what type of monsters you are battling.

It's a toss up IMO.

[MithraLover]

so the question is will you pick a galka war/mnk with like 640hp? or a mithra war/mnk with 545 hp? i leave that answer to you.

Still depends on what bag of tricks each one has. Mithra have better Dex (?) so they will get missed a good bit more.

I would take the Mithra if she had a cute ass and lots of enhancement items on her.
And if the person driving was extra skilled.

Same could be said with the Galka though.

But I could pimp out a Mithra and make lots of Gil to keep my items full.