Can a WAR tank an HNM?...

[Hisdon]

Originally posted by Funguwari
Easy Hisdon... you don't need to be nasty and mean.

where was I nasty and mean? I jus responded to what you posted with my own thoughts. I never attacked you in any way

[Hisdon]

Originally posted by Atoman


Hisdon: I don't know what plds you pt with but, but unless there suck at aggro control or the other melee are actively trying to pull aggro at the start, there is no way a pld is going to lose hate just b/c of the emnity in war AF and what they hit for with Great Axe. Hell a good pld can hold aggro against sidewinder or ancient magic if given a little time to build up hate, those are both 1000+ damage on average so 100 damage from a Great Axe hit is nothing.

but those people that do 1k+ dmg don't have +18 hate...lol >.> have you personally pted with a WAR in full AF? personally I see it'd be very, very hard for a PLD to keep hate off them...everything they do makes so much agro >.>

WAR tanking will be fun whahaha (^^)b

[DrSerpico]

Actually:

Actually, the blms even have a bit of -enmity, or am I wrong?

I notice that I pull hate as a sam sometimes if I leave my af on (+7 enmity) And do berserk, meditate and a good hit ws
(250+jinpu or so) This is after approx. 3 vokecycles too, so it's not like the pld hasn't built some hate.

The +enmity stuff and -enmity stuff are there for a reason.
I can easily see a War stealing hate with full af, berserk, warcry and a good hit ws. Greataxe equipped, of course.

And the pld's I've pt'd with keeps hate even after ancients.
Sometimes after ancient bursts, otherwise they get it back with the next flash.

Further comments?

[greysenn]

I would suspect you can have all the +emnity gear in the world, and it won't matter too much for HNM's if all you do is fan your target, cooling it off with the breeze from your weapons.

Obviously, this is exaggarating, but that is one thing that paladins have. Consistant spell based hate in addition to ability hate.

[Funguwari]

When you said, "try pting wit a war in full af >_>"

[obsidian]

WAR/NIN past lvl 74 is quite simply the best tank in the game.

Do a /sea all war 74-75 sometime and you will see 90%+ of them with /NIN.

[Rupert FFXI]

Originally posted by Atoman
My LS leader is a 75 war for HNM, he subs nin and usually main tanks so it can definaltly be done.

Hisdon: I don't know what plds you pt with but, but unless there suck at aggro control or the other melee are actively trying to pull aggro at the start, there is no way a pld is going to lose hate just b/c of the emnity in war AF and what they hit for with Great Axe. Hell a good pld can hold aggro against sidewinder or ancient magic if given a little time to build up hate, those are both 1000+ damage on average so 100 damage from a Great Axe hit is nothing.

You are wrong sir... When not tanking I am always told to take off my +8 enimity body armor. When in any pt w/ a Pld and I have body piece on you can count on me stealing hate after a Warcry --> Raging Rush that connects on all three blows. This has happened at somepoint in every party I have been in post lvl 60. While really good pallies can eventually get that hate back, most cannot and get pissed off at me for wearing my body armor.

[Graive]

What Rupert said. I just turned 60 but I noticed a big change in hate controll once I got full AF. For one thing tanking was simple, I just provoked every 30 seconds, and used Raging Rush when possible. For dealing damage with a PLD in the group, I pull plenty of hate off of them. The only reason is using those certain abilitys and WSs that we have, they tend to pull plenty of hate your way. With berserk/focus/aggressor/warcry/Raging Rush I do atleast 500+ dmg and doing that I really tick off the mobs. It doesn't take long though for the PLD to regain control over the creature but being able to pull hate can mean a bad thing. An inbalance of hate could make the monster run off and attack a mage or something along those lines. So I try to be very careful with what I do to keep things in balance and still do a lot of damage. So far my favorite PT is WAR/BRD/DRK/RNG/THF/WHM. It doesn't take long to take out the monsters with that combo.

[DerekKnight]

Agreed with the whole WAR with full AF pulling hate from PLD thing. It's not hard. Trust me. A Break, a Raging, and the mob is turned. Don't even need WarCry majority of the time. This is the reason WARs need a good set of Body Armor to wear in place of AF Body. I'm saving for Haubergeon myself. ^^ But I suppose RK Chainmail works too for the STR+2/DEX+2 as well.

[Graive]

Yeah by 70 a WAR, although expensive (2,000,000 gil), should have Hauberk. I'm not too sure of any kind of armor, other than the body, a WAR should buy by then. WAR is meant for so many different purpases, so you never know when you will have to use full AF or no and have to choose between many subs. I for one have been working on MNK, THF, NIN, and SAM. These are all good subs and depending on the situation your sub will change.

Anyway I've realized this isn't the main topic. My opinion is that WAR/NIN is the best tank at lvl 75 for HNM battles. PLDs of course come second. I wouldn't think about NIN/WAR though becuase the only needed ninjutsu you get before lvl 35. So thats what I think, I can't express many reasons cause I'm not thinking straight this morning

[MAK]

Hisdon: I don't know what plds you pt with but, but unless there suck at aggro control or the other melee are actively trying to pull aggro at the start, there is no way a pld is going to lose hate just b/c of the emnity in war AF and what they hit for with Great Axe. Hell a good pld can hold aggro against sidewinder or ancient magic if given a little time to build up hate, those are both 1000+ damage on average so 100 damage from a Great Axe hit is nothing.

PLD can hold hate but not that much, ive pulled hate from invincable. we did Swift > Cross and i ended with 800ish and a 800ish burst(as /war and this is fighting LJ kinda easy HNM) at that point it would not get off me so i tanked half the fight and the PLD used invincible at that point it started to ping pong. It wasnt the PLD fault he is a great PLD its just PLD cant keep THAT much hate. PLD was lv70 and able to use war cry aslo.

[Graive]

Yeah seriously, PLDs aren't the perfect tank. Actualy there is no such thing. There is always going to be a flaw or a screw up in tanking. Just got to expect the unexpected.

[DarkomeN]

You guys are crazy. In HNMs which require an alliance like behemoth there practically is no tank even the mages sub /nin. But I've heared of 2 WAR/NINs tanking Serket switch tanking and it was great.

[l)@RK-l)EVIL]

you lucky my last pt was with war tank (have thf also in pt)

anyway war was unable to use his af body (he can use it next lv)

anyway before he lv up and use his body af the renkei was
vorpal scythe >> dancing edge

i always use provoke (i take hate after provoke most of the time)
anywhy if provoke was not enough i use stun then ws and i take hate


after war lv up (he use his body af now)
i use provoke + weapon bash + souleater and i still cant take hate everyone was angry lol :mad:
so we tell him not to use his af body


war can tank HNM easy with all this scary +enmity if he sub ninga there is also new ring +2 or 3 enimty i think you can buy it and test it :sweat:

[Atoman]

but those people that do 1k+ dmg don't have +18 hate...lol >.> have you personally pted with a WAR in full AF? personally I see it'd be very, very hard for a PLD to keep hate off them...everything they do makes so much agro >.>




Just PTed with 2 wars full AF in the laberyth, one used great axe, the other used 2 1h axes. Aggro was not a problem, I held it about 90% of the time, it would have been like 99%, but for anyone that is high enough to PT there knows, the tank gets silenced and paralyzed throughout the whole fight so. Because of this you lose vokes or have and have to wait on cures, but the mob in general would only leave me if one of the wars decided to ws to open the fight.