is it true that 1 Vit = 2 Def?....

[Antwan_3000]

?...

is there any other difference between the stats?...

[ZQM]

No, 2 VIT = 1 DEF.

Also, VIT plays more of a role then just adding DEF. http://www.moonlight.gr.jp/~el/ffxi/ab_calc.html.en

So basically, you're VIT is calculated with the attackers STR, and you're DEF is calculated with the attackers ATK. At lower levels, DEF tends to be better then VIT, but at higher levels I've heard that going with VIT is a lot better then DEF (From the calculation at the website, DEF is divided by ATK. So once you're DEF = their ATK, you won't take less damage).

[Antwan_3000]

does this concept also hold true for other stats like:

2 STR = 1 ATK
2 DEX = 1 Accuracy
2 AGI = 1 Evasion

and etc?....

[Valcarde]

As far as I know, yes.

[LordBiGGs]

zqm is right, 2 vit is more than one defense. an example of this is i played with a samurai a while back that had the same defense as me. i took much less damage than him simply because i had more much vit.

anyone who says things like 2 of this stat equal one of this stat is wrong. heres the real deal.

2str = 1 attak + more damage
2vit = 1 defense - more damage
2 dex = 1 accuracy and increased chance of criticals
2 agl = 1 evasion and less chance of taking criticals

hope this was some help.

[TokeN]

you see even though you simplified it liek that I am still clueless. I got lost when u said +more damage.. i am not gettin this and it is making me angry :mad:

[ZQM]

Go to the website I linked. You'll understand after reading it.

[Antwan_3000]

Originally posted by LordBiGGs
zqm is right, 2 vit is more than one defense. an example of this is i played with a samurai a while back that had the same defense as me. i took much less damage than him simply because i had more much vit.

now i'm confused again...

it sounded like zqm was saying that 1 DEF is equal to having 2 VIT. so basically this would mean that 2 Amber Rings (2+ VIT) = 1 Leather Ring (1+ DEF). this is not counting the earth resistance ofcourse...

but it sounds like LordBiGGs is saying that "2 vit is more than one defense" (but he still agrees with zqm somehow). by saying VIT is "more" than DEF, i would assume you mean that 2 Leather Rings = 1 Amber Ring..

i'm basically asking this question in order to decide what stat i want to pick up in order to take the least amount of physical damage possible....

initially, i was going for all VIT+. but i heard that "1 DEF = 2 VIT" and figured that i may be able to do more with +DEF than i can with +VIT. but i somehow feel like +VIT can still play a better role in damage control...

when u say "2vit = 1 defense - more damage", does this mean that for every 2 pts of VIT you basically get 1 pt of added DEF but you somehow still take less damage than if you simply had 2 pts of DEF without the VIT?

heh, even in my own words it sounds confusing...

can someone please bottomline this for me?... :sweat:

[Thorrion]

Here's an example to try and clear it up:

Player 1 has 50vit and 300defense.

Player 2 has 20vit and 300defense.

Player 1 has less +def equipment, but his higher vit (2vit=1def) adds extra raw defense, bringing him up to the same defense as Player 2, who has less Vit, but more +def equipment.

A monster appears and hits player 2. His 300 defense will help him to take less damage, but the MAXIMUM hit the monster can land will be high because he only has 20vit.

Same monster hits player 1. His 300 defense also helps, but the maximum damage he can take will be significantly less, because he has 50vit.

Hope that helps.

[Antwan_3000]

how about a situation in which:

Player 1 has 60 VIT and 300 DEF

Player 2 has 50 VIT and 305 DEF

this is based on the idea that "2 VIT = 1 DEF", the player has base stats of 50 VIT/ 300 DEF, and a choice of either 10 VIT or 5 DEF (based on the 2:1 ratio)...

which player would take the least amount of damage or would it be the same?....

i'm sorry if i'm "beating a dead horse"...

i'm just trying to decide if i should go with +2 VIT rings over +2 DEF rings and etc...

if "2 VIT = 1 DEF", then that could mean that i can essentially get +4 VIT from one +2 DEF ring unless +VIT has some other properties i'm unaware of...

[Deedlit]

The maximum damage that Player 1 would take would be significantly less than player 2's.

I think for tanks, they want as much VIT as possible, but also want a decent amount of DEF. The thing with DEF is, it can be raised to insane amounts using Protect spells, food, etc - and eventually, raising it beyond a certain point doesn't make as big of a deal (like it having a soft cap or something) - whereas the more VIT, the better.

[Antwan_3000]

Originally posted by Deedlit
The maximum damage that Player 1 would take would be significantly less than player 2's.

I think for tanks, they want as much VIT as possible, but also want a decent amount of DEF. The thing with DEF is, it can be raised to insane amounts using Protect spells, food, etc - and eventually, raising it beyond a certain point doesn't make as big of a deal (like it having a soft cap or something) - whereas the more VIT, the better.

ok, i understand now....

thanks for the input..

[greysenn]

Vit adds defense passively. Defense does not add vit though. In a case where you can get 2 +2 vit rings, or 2 +2 def rings, go vit all the way.

[imac2much]

Check out the Paladin forums, namely the Paladin FAQ. We have discussed this damage formula ad nauseum =)

I've said this several times before, so forgive me if you've heard it already:
DEF is used in a check against the target's ATK and is exponential.
VIT is used in a check against the target's STR and is linear.

At low levels, when DEF is rather low, DEF > VIT. Think of this curve as y = 1/x. As you can see, when you have low DEF, each single point of DEF added will reduce damage more than it will if you had high DEF. When your DEF is greater than the target's ATK, you will encounter what I call 'diminishing returns', in that further increases of DEF will not affect damage much anymore. This is why at high levels tanks will opt for VIT instead of DEF, since VIT is linear.

However, at low levels you should go for DEF. Not only is it easier to increase at low levels, but it also affects another factor in the damage calculation: the 'center' or average damage in the damage rate. Basically, this is determined by how the target "checks" you, just like you can /check them. If you have low defense, they will inherently do more damage on average. If you have high defense, they will do less. Just like, if you check a monster and it has "low defense and low evade" you will have a higher 'center' of damage, and vice versa.

VIT really becomes useful at high levels. From 1-40 or even 50, I'd say go for defense.

[greysenn]

Imac,

I was just saying go with the Vit in that case because it was in equal comparison. In the specified case (2 +2 vit vs 2 defense), you're only losing a net of 2 defense there, and gaining 4 Vit.

I know most of the examples with the paladin boards are with phalanx, or Aegis rings where it is far more than a point per point trade.