Steal (Multiple Success?)

[Eauijhkuu]

Dear Banditos and Banditas,

Please.
I need some clarification on our steal ability.

I recently tried to explain to a fellow bandit that our Steal Job Ability with its godly uber 5:00 recast timer would only be successful once in stealing an item from a particular mob, if that mob is tabled to carry a specific steal item.

This guy (LV 25 THF, btw) went so far as to state that it is indeed possible to steal more than one item successfully from a mob.


His story, to paraphrase:
Stealing from a mob, successfully, would make his inventory full. Waiting 5 minutes afterwards, he would Use the steal command AGAIN, and get the message that would tell him his inventory was full, and that he was unable to steal again. After sorting his inventory, and stealing from the same mob, he said it's possible to steal another item from that same mob successfully stolen from.

. . . Wth.

Did I miss something in my 2-3 years of playing this job religiously?

His arguement:
You succeed, but you don't get the item...
If you didn't suceed, you wouldn't have gotten the message (Inventory full)
You can pretty much activate steal just like you could fish even when your inventory is full. Supposedly he's stolen mutliple beastcoins doing this.


Ok. Here's where your input comes in. Is it possible to steal multiple items off of the same mob?

If you're going to testify in favor, or that full inventory when using steal against a mob that has a steal item or not is a justifiable means of successful steals, I will ask you to please elaborate thoroughly.

Because something in the back of my mind just wants to give me reason to introduce my tip of my boot to your rear if you don't otherwise.

[Sevv]

Re: Steal (Multiple Success?)

what mob in exp seeing he is only lvl25, is alive for 5 min?

[Necropolis]

Re: Steal (Multiple Success?)

The message he's getting means nothing at all. You cannot use the job ability Steal with you inventory full. So that means nothing at all.

As to weather or not you can steal successfully more than one on a mob, you can. As I was leveling thf through the dunes/qufim I self PLed myself. I was over camping for a while just to skill several weapons and throwing all at the same time, so didn't go for quick kills but rather mobs that would stay alive and give me time to skill up. Point being, the mob was alive longer than 5 minutes from time to time.

Being new to thf I like playing with my new job abilities. I had a recast macro I could hit and see time remaining on all job abilities and what have you. There were a number of times I stole an item from a mob multiple times.

Another time I've noticed this is when a thf friend of mine was looking for a thf's testimony for his upcoming maat fight. I had tagged along in case he got aggro and died in need of a raise, as well as check for the NM for a moldavite earring. We were in LoO looking for the thf gobs in that zone. The mob he got his testimony from he had stolen a beastman coin from him first. This may be because after aggroing the mob initially he hide and lost aggro, perhaps allowing him to steal again. But at that time I had already known that you could steal multiple items from the same mob.

Over all there isn't a lot of good stuff to steal from a mob, a few gold beastman coins I suppose for some change, but given the low success rate of steal in addition to the recast it would hardly be worth it to do nothing but steal coins all day.

[Lunaryn]

Re: Steal (Multiple Success?)

I remember that SE issued an emergency update that prevented stealing successfully more than once from the same mob as a temporary measure, but I don't remember what they implemented permanently.

[Eauijhkuu]

Re: Steal (Multiple Success?)

I remember that SE issued an emergency update that prevented stealing successfully more than once from the same mob as a temporary measure, but I don't remember what they implemented permanently.

I remember this as well.

Which is why I figured that it was near impossible to accomplish this kind of thing.

And yes. There are, believe it or else, mobs that you can steal from multiple times without taking any kind of damage, just as a LV 25 thief.

...Silly

[Lunaryn]

Re: Steal (Multiple Success?)

I think the operative question would be: Are there mobs which have better Steal results than drops, take longer than 5 minutes to respawn and are sufficiently rare or overfarmed that moving on to another target would be undesirable, and which you would also take no damage from?

Back during the height of inflation I tried multiple-stealing from Mandragora in West Sarutabaruta; that got old fast.

If there were Notorious Monsters that were considered valuable for an item you could steal from rather than a drop, this could be a serious problem, but I don't know of any NMs that fit that criteria...

I suppose it might be possible to exploit this with a bot, but unless we actually see evidence it's happening I wouldn't worry all that much about it.

[Mhurron]

Re: Steal (Multiple Success?)

AFAIK, attempting to steal with your inventory full is a failure. You can try again after you've sorted and if you grab the item and have room, that's a success.

For instance, is a quest that awards an item closed if you attempt to get the item with a full inventory, or when you sort, come back and get the item.

[Lmnop]

Re: Steal (Multiple Success?)

I believe that even if you attempt to steal from a mob that has no items to steal, you'll still get the "Inventory full" response.

I also believe they instituted the one-item limit in response to THFs following the same goblin for hours on end, steal/hiding every 5 minutes for a shot at gold beastcoins. Now the contrary is the norm, which is quite annoying; you go to Newton Movapolis and since every GB-carrying gob has been robbed - and since no one ever kills them - you find a lot of failures. It sure would be nice if THFs had an ability to guage opponents to see if they currently carry loot...

[Mikamaru]

Re: Steal (Multiple Success?)

1 item per "Engage"


I spent about 45mins in w.ron stealing from an orc, only 1 beastcoin.

then again, Steal > Hide, wait for timer > Steal > Hide again, that way, yes u can get more then one item, same with the moblin in oldtown that has plat beastcoins. went down there to farm moblin ingots from the freelance and ashman, had a 75thf friend come with me to help on the drop rate. he would steal from the mobin that has the plat beastcoin's everytime we went back to there, he did get more then 1 coin from the moblin, and for the longest time, we were the only 2 in the area.

[Lmnop]

Re: Steal (Multiple Success?)

how long ago was that? I have never succeeded a second time against those moblins.

[Eauijhkuu]

Re: Steal (Multiple Success?)

That doesn't even seem possible at all. Hardly even likely;

I've done the similar process w/ Hobgoblins in Bibiki Bay; Whenever you are engaged or if you seemingly pull the monster, attack it for a bit, then use the steal-hide tactic, with the more recent patches to prevent MPK, monsters usually depop.

Say the steal was successful.

When that same mob repops a bit later, it seems that if you attempt to use the same method, the second attempt and all attempts thereafter fail completely.

Any other Thief that actually attempts to steal from that mob will not be able to acquire anything from it either, until the mob is killed, and it's 'window' for respawning is reset (which Hide doesn't do).