One of those wishy threads that people always make

[Zempten]

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Sure, Lmnop. We all know you only care about Net.Drifter =P

Joking ^ ^

[Spinnthrift]

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Hrm - what modifcations would I put on Thf?

1: Sneak Attack doesn't break Hide.
2: Post 60, Sneak Attack doesn't need to be behind the target.
3: New Trait around 35 - that while sneaked/invisible/deodorized - ranged attacks will not break any of the above. Melee combat will however, either dealing or receiving will break, as will taking spell damage/effects. Means that you can pull a lot more effectively in far more dangerous areas - making Thf more desirable again. You will still have hate normally, but would allow for more freedom.
4: Make Shadowbind into a Stun WS instead of Bind.
5: Hide gives Sneak/Invis/Deodorize... (maybe - dunno.. more thinking Hide sucks when I get nailed by scent or sound when a silent oil doesn't trigger)
6: Hide will function on a True Sight mob if someone else has hate at the time... you still retain your standing on it's hate list, but for the time being - because you're hidden - it doesn't care about you. (it'll deal with you later kind of thing)

That about sums it up I guess from my five minutes of thinking. ><

- Peace.

[nanatsu]

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Hrm. I've always wondered why there are bsts and thf seems to have lost its charm/steal heart ability. Would be nice to see that JA return, with the effects wearing off with erase or a good quick smack. Make perfect dodge a 10 minute JA that lasts 30 seconds and call it Caution. Make thf's new 2hr a forced SA-style crit on all hits for 30 seconds, and you don't have to stand behind the mob to pull it off.

Give thf real tricks.

THF Job Trait: Trick Stab
If you or anyone in your party manages to parry, force an automatic critical hit on your next attack.

THF JA: Avoid
Stance that dodges the next melee attack and counters with a SA-style critical. Can be used with Trick Attack to direct hate elsewhere

THF JA: Dirt Toss
Toss dirt into target's eyes reducing their evasion and accuracy. Ineffective against some mobs like worms.

Expand on thf's steal abilities.

Steal Weapon - Attack down status on target
Steal Armor - Def down status on target
Steal Footwear - Gravity status on target

Make use of thf's throwing skill by giving them throwing knives/daggers with good damage for ranged attacks.

Those are the things I would wish for anyway :O

[Nitsuki]

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i just want more sword skill, so we can use a ridill better \o/

[Armando]

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Hrm. I've always wondered why there are bsts and thf seems to have lost its charm/steal heart ability. Would be nice to see that JA return, with the effects wearing off with erase or a good quick smack.

Because THF has only had Steal Heart in FFT, in which there was no BST (unless you count Mediator's Invite) and BST has been around since before FFT.

[nanatsu]

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Because THF has only had Steal Heart in FFT, in which there was no BST (unless you count Mediator's Invite) and BST has been around since before FFT.

Googled it. I didn't play X-2 cause it made my eyes and ears bleed. Didn't play V and Tactics Advance doesn't count because it is an unholy union of Satan and Little Debbie. So I didn't know. Sankyuu for the info ^^

[Anaki]

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Steal Weapon - Attack down status on target
Steal Armor - Def down status on target
Steal Footwear - Gravity status on target

i think instead of steal footwear. why not have it where the thief also uses there dexterity/aim to there advantage.

so stab leg = gravity status.
and others could be
stab arm =slow effect or strentgh down.
stab effects would have lower accuracy then lower hits but cause detrimental effects if they land.

[nanatsu]

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i think instead of steal footwear. why not have it where the thief also uses there dexterity/aim to there advantage.
so stab leg = gravity status.
and others could be
stab arm =slow effect or strentgh down.
stab effects would have lower accuracy then lower hits but cause detrimental effects if they land.

Because then we're talking more Assassin than Thief. Thieves are supposed to steal stuff, hence the expansion on the Steal JA. Though I do admit that stabbing makes a little bit more sense superficially, since it's not like all monsters have weapons. The lower accuracy thing is a pretty good idea tho.

[Mazon]

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Because then we're talking more Assassin than Thief. ...

Well, our AFv2 is called Assassin's <insert piece name here>.

e.g. Assassin's Armlets

Not to mention we get a Job Trait called.... Assassin ... see where I'm going with this?

It's like the whole, calling Gambler a Corsair.

[711rocks]

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i just want more sword skill, so we can use a ridill better \o/

You got one? Grats!

[Armando]

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EDIT: Ugh. Delete this. Minor posting accident.

[Nitsuki]

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You got one? Grats!

i wish, fafnir really hasn't dropped another ridill for us in a while D:

[nanatsu]

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Well, our AFv2 is called Assassin's <insert piece name here>.
e.g. Assassin's Armlets
Not to mention we get a Job Trait called.... Assassin ... see where I'm going with this?
It's like the whole, calling Gambler a Corsair.

Eh, just cause we have gear with the assassin name on it doesn't automatically make us an assassin x_x That's like saying wearing dragon gear makes me a dragon. We're still thieves more than assassins. Just like a Red Mage is still a mage more than a Duelist, even though their relic calls them Duelists. Some of those relic names are just there because they sound cool honestly. Yeah you could say Sneak Attack is an assassin's skill. But it is also a skill a thief would have. The bulk of thief's skills is centered around craftiness and deception more than cold blooded death, honestly. When I think of assassin I think of a whole other set of skills than what thief currently has. What I'd really wish for is the idea of us being thieves to be played on more.

[Saren]

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I am not a thf but reading this thread reminded me of this thread from a while back. I’m not saying that thf doesn’t deserve a few tweaks but what I would really like to see is SE adding a few things in that would make a traditional party the most exp/time efficient setup which I think would help a lot of jobs, including thf.

I may be wrong but I think that thf is more desirable in traditional setup parties because of their ability to help manage hate (especially given how many nin tanks we have now) and distortion skillchains are pretty damn nice if you are going to have a skillchain becoming a mainstay of your average party.

[Timian]

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Triple Attack II Job Trait
Make "Mug" into something actually useful
Raise Sword Skill from a D to a B-
Natural Haste effect... like, 5% at lv40, 10% at 60 and 15% at 75.

*Shrug*
That's all you'd need to be more useful in a TP Burn really.
As for HNMs... THFs are Treasure Hunter whores...
Can't imagine any way to change that without breaking the job
in other situations.