Does Evasion + = Evasion +??

[Eauijhkuu]

Salutations.

Eauijhkuu Here.

I have a question that probably shouldn't be on this board...but since we're pretty much masters of Evasion, I thought some people who played THF would certainly have a strong understanding of how this all worked.

The dilemma involves items and assessories that give bonuses to combat skills and traits. Whenever you check your stauts, you can see the increase of your combat skills and their levels. The more you attack an enemy with your weapon, the higher the weapon skill grows. This occurs with Evasion as well - The more you get hit, the better your evasion becomes.

So how does all this Combat Skill gear apply to Evasion in general?

It's been a while since I've actually tested it, but from what I can remember - Using an item that will increase Dagger skill +5 directly affects the Combat Skill.

That doesn't seem to ever be the case with Evasion + gear, like Emperor's Hairpin or Scorpion harness. Both add +10 to Evasion, but they don't seem to register a +10 boost to the Evasion Combat Skill, which theoretically causes me to assume that Evasion + on equipment doesn't necessarily mean a + to Evasion, but rather a penalty to opponent's Accuracy rating.

So here's my Question:

How important is combat skill Evasion VS Evasion that comes from Equipment or AGI?
And is Evasion + from Gear its own seperate stat, or does it just simply counter modify opponent's Accuracy?

[Futan]

Re: Does Evasion + = Evasion +??

+Evasion skill will directly affect your combat skill. I think there's a torque that affects this stat. +Evasion modifies the hidden stat. Like when you press ctrl+E to check your equipment there's Attack and Defense at the bottom. Just as +accuracy affects the hidden stat of accuracy, +evasion affects the hidden stat of evasion.

I'd imagine they work like how your combat skill for weapons does. Giving one point to atk and acc for 1 combat skill. So you would get 1 point of def and eva for every point of evasion skill.

So +evasion equipment would just affect your hidden evasion stat while the +evasion combat skill would affect both def and eva.

None of this is confirmed that I know of... twas just me educated guessing. Sooo you should wait until someone else confirms or tells you what they actually do.

[Eauijhkuu]

Re: Does Evasion + = Evasion +??

I'm theoretically in agreement;

I think there's a skill, like ACC, that isn't really tallied in Combat Skill.

However.

I'm not certain if that skill is in relation to the Evasion Combat skill, or just overall general EVA vs ACC.

[Lmnop]

Re: Does Evasion + = Evasion +??

yes, items that give a bonus to evasion skill (such as that earring that gives +3 evasion skill) will register in your Skills box. However, since you cannot see your final evasion (the stat that figures in your AGI), you do not see the boost that SH or Battle Gloves gives you.

Many NINs and peeps claim that the +skill has a larger impact than straight +evasion, but I sorta find this hard to believe. Reason being the way weapons are figured: It is said that after level 60, every point in Dagger skill still gives +1 attack, but it no longer gives +1 Accuracy. Supposedly (I've never tested), it's closer to +.92. If this is true, the same should hold true for Evasion skill or... something. At best, they should perform identical. At worst, +evasion skill should be slightly less effective. Maybe there's something to be considered such as evasion soft cap or... something that +skill raises the threshhold thereof... ramble...

[bside]

Re: Does Evasion + = Evasion +??

I'd imagine they work like how your combat skill for weapons does. Giving one point to atk and acc for 1 combat skill. So you would get 1 point of def and eva for every point of evasion skill.

I don't believe an increase in Evasion skill also increases DEF; just Evasion that it affects.

Due to the fact that it's currently not possible to check our own Evasion on the client side, it is only assumed that Evasion, Evasion skill, and AGI correlate like Accuracy, combat skills, and DEX do. Therefore, any and all formulas you might come accross are based on the assumption that;

1. +1 in Evasion skill adds 1 (or +0.9 at or in excess of 200) to Evasion
2. +2 in AGI adds 1 to Evasion

just like the case of Accuracy.

So here's my Question:
How important is combat skill Evasion VS Evasion that comes from Equipment or AGI?
And is Evasion + from Gear its own seperate stat, or does it just simply counter modify opponent's Accuracy?

Throughout the game play, you're likely fighting VT and IT mobs in exp parties. When it comes to such mobs, having evasion enough to make noticible difference means sacrificing many other stats, and often can't coexist w/ other important gears.

Seeing that you're a THF main, however, having Evasion gears is one important thing. THF is, along w/ their Evasion+ trait, definitely the #1 job in evasion. When farming, you can evade mobs' attacks than anyone else (though Evasion caps around 80%), and that's precisely why THF's can farm some of the storng mobs that most other jobs have difficulty farming w/. But mobs of certain lvl's or higher will require you to have some degree of Evasion gears to effectively evade their attacks, and that's where evasion gears become very important.

Though an example of NIN, NIN's can solo the 1st floor of Appollyon SE, but this requires us to have at least +40 in Evasion, idealy +50. Without evasion gears, it's simply not possible. There will be many similar occasions for THF's, so while in exp parties I don't think you need to carry any Evasion gears, but there are the times when you'll want them, so I'd say it's worth investing into.


As for the question of Evasion vs. Accuracy, for the same reason as I stated above, it's only assumed that Evasion is simply countered against mobs' Accuracy to come up w/ the final Evasion rate. Note that it's also assumed that it's Evasion that's compared, not Evasion skills.